Topic: Pad and Glove design - just how important is it? (Read 4458 times)

tim2000s · « **on:** October 18, 2012, 08:24:34 AM »

Following on from M77's thread, and some of the samples threads we see on here, I thought I'd ask the above question.

The reason for this is that I see loads of pairs of pads and gloves that all look very similar to one another turning up in the samples thread, with the only real differences being the colourway selected. Otherwise they are all derivatives of much the same thing. I tend to look at them and shrug my shoulders as, realistically, nothing really stands out.

One of the reasons I like Puma is that they look to be trying to do something different, and the new M&H pads and Aero also seek to do the same thing.

As is obvious, there are phyiscal limits to what can be done, but clearly there are a few people out there seeking to push the boundaries.

So is everyone happy with the same old same old? If they are, why are they? What's stopping you from trying something different? Is this just the normal aversion to change? If some of the modern stuff was aesthetically better, would you buy it? Why is teh average cricket buyer so staid?

Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #1 on:** October 18, 2012, 08:35:45 AM »

I guess its difficult to produce something different in certain pads. a traditional cane pad is a traditional cane pad. not alot you can do with it. Obviously if your looking for a modern style pad you have a bit more room to play around with the designs.

for me, Unless you are designing something completely radical you have to stick with a current design and tweak it a little. Im looking at having two pads which are currently being sampled. One is a traditional cane pad the other is a traditional styled pad but without cane. im not a fan of the modern moulded style pads so stayed away from them. I have changed aspects of the design which appear on pretty much every pad but there is only so much you can change. The 2 styles of gloves i am having sampled are not the same as current designs but obviously take key points from current brands etc. again unless your being radical like the mitts your going to struggle to do anything hugely different. alot of things have already been done or take bits and pieces from lots of glove designs.

I dont agree with taking a stock pad or glove and then just sticking your logo on it. it doesnt make it unique or any different to the other brands using it.

tim2000s · « **Reply #2 on:** October 18, 2012, 08:51:27 AM »

Quote from: johners77 on October 18, 2012, 08:35:45 AM

I guess its difficult to produce something different in certain pads. a traditional cane pad is a traditional cane pad. not alot you can do with it. Obviously if your looking for a modern style pad you have a bit more room to play around with the designs.

for me, Unless you are designing something completely radical you have to stick with a current design and tweak it a little. Im looking at having two pads which are currently being sampled. One is a traditional cane pad the other is a traditional styled pad but without cane. im not a fan of the modern moulded style pads so stayed away from them. I have changed aspects of the design which appear on pretty much every pad but there is only so much you can change. The 2 styles of gloves i am having sampled are not the same as current designs but obviously take key points from current brands etc. again unless your being radical like the mitts your going to struggle to do anything hugely different. alot of things have already been done or take bits and pieces from lots of glove designs.

I dont agree with taking a stock pad or glove and then just sticking your logo on it. it doesnt make it unique or any different to the other brands using it.

Is the reason that we still do the traditional cane pad that it is cheap to produce or is it just because that's the way it's always been done?

Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #3 on:** October 18, 2012, 08:58:26 AM »

I think the traditional cane pad is the one thats most used. for me its a classic look. most pros use them and its the ones we see most of all around the club scene aswell. i dont like the modern pads but i love the traditional cane ones. Ill be honest in saying because i dont like the modern style pads i didnt look into cost so i have no idea what the cost difference is if any.

i guess it also comes down to the fact they do whats required. they offer great protection and arent particularly heavy.

Six Sixes Cricket · « **Reply #4 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:41:43 AM »

Can a moulded pad to look like a traditional pad be done?

tim2000s · « **Reply #5 on:** October 18, 2012, 09:44:57 AM »

Quote from: d7bow on October 18, 2012, 09:41:43 AM

Can a moulded pad to look like a traditional pad be done?

Morrant Ultralites....

Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #6 on:** October 18, 2012, 11:33:34 AM »

Quote from: d7bow on October 18, 2012, 09:41:43 AM

Can a moulded pad to look like a traditional pad be done?

i think aero tried this recently to make their pads look less odd. Im not sure it works personally. the ultralites are probably the only moulded/ modern pads id use. the rest i just dont like

norbs · « **Reply #7 on:** October 18, 2012, 11:58:15 AM »

Ok from my side of things

buying softs is an absolute ball ache takes ages and cost more then people think...

It is the biggest game of cat and mouse in the industry

As a small bat maker, not a softs designer, it is easier to go down the path of least resistance and even that is a minefield

Most of the time the reason you supply is not for an individual that wants your glove, it is someone that has your bat and wants your glove / pad etc. Bags are different

If you start looking at using special protective materials and altering design based on the stipulated rebound properties as issued by the ICC the cost will go up... That research, testing and subsequent marketing costs time and money... So at that point you are in niche market so you are better off being someone like Arytek. i.e. you pay for the protection from a specialist, innovative supplier..

So at some point you have to say to yourself am I bat maker or something else?

tim2000s · « **Reply #8 on:** October 18, 2012, 12:02:06 PM »

Which is why almost everyone outsources their softs production to SG, etc.

M77 · « **Reply #9 on:** October 18, 2012, 12:05:35 PM »

After being contacted by one of the companies you mention Tim I can tell you cost is a factor. 10p of 10,000 units makes people take notice.

But from discussions the question was raised by on senior guy... why?

Why change, when people seem happy. For the most part they are, but when there is room to improve safety then someone has to try... Most are happy with the game theory imposed at the moment by doing very little and keeping everyone on a level playing field but more can be done and a few want to see it happen.

Costs will always play a major factor, but you can source materials from different industries at similar costs to existing supplier for far greater benefits such as absorption, weight and even from renewables... but you need for the makers to believe in your approach first. Other wise you are on a hiding to nothing... and i wouldn't be here.

EaglesCC · « **Reply #10 on:** October 18, 2012, 12:08:48 PM »

In the same vain as my reply on the other thread, modern pads have changed too much too quickly (for my liking). Personally I don�t see why you can�t make a moulded pad look just like a traditional pad (corrugated cane like front, RH/LH thigh protection wings, angled thigh protection) but perform like a modern pad (lightweight, etc).

Morrant have gone some way to doing this, but I still sense the "we want to show these are different" bit in the design.

Surely if a 'mould' is used to make these, you�re only limited by your imagination?

But then I�m one opinion and perhaps what they produce caters for the consensus (?)

Vantage_Cricket · « **Reply #11 on:** October 18, 2012, 12:26:24 PM »

Quote from: johners77 on October 18, 2012, 08:35:45 AM

I guess its difficult to produce something different in certain pads. a traditional cane pad is a traditional cane pad. not alot you can do with it. Obviously if your looking for a modern style pad you have a bit more room to play around with the designs.

for me, Unless you are designing something completely radical you have to stick with a current design and tweak it a little. Im looking at having two pads which are currently being sampled. One is a traditional cane pad the other is a traditional styled pad but without cane. im not a fan of the modern moulded style pads so stayed away from them. I have changed aspects of the design which appear on pretty much every pad but there is only so much you can change. The 2 styles of gloves i am having sampled are not the same as current designs but obviously take key points from current brands etc. again unless your being radical like the mitts your going to struggle to do anything hugely different. alot of things have already been done or take bits and pieces from lots of glove designs.

I dont agree with taking a stock pad or glove and then just sticking your logo on it. it doesnt make it unique or any different to the other brands using it.

Got to agree with John here, when designing the softs for Vantage I didn't think it would be in the best interest to do something completely radical just mainly looking at what works well and then make it your own rather than just rebranding another set of softs and change the colours on them. There's only so much you can do with cane pads, however modern style pads and gloves are slightly different and that's where you see the biggest differences between brands.

Howzat · « **Reply #12 on:** October 18, 2012, 03:23:38 PM »

Quote from: M77 on October 18, 2012, 12:05:35 PM

After being contacted by one of the companies you mention Tim I can tell you cost is a factor. 10p of 10,000 units makes people take notice.

But from discussions the question was raised by on senior guy... why?

Why change, when people seem happy. For the most part they are, but when there is room to improve safety then someone has to try... Most are happy with the game theory imposed at the moment by doing very little and keeping everyone on a level playing field but more can be done and a few want to see it happen.

Costs will always play a major factor, but you can source materials from different industries at similar costs to existing supplier for far greater benefits such as absorption, weight and even from renewables... but you need for the makers to believe in your approach first. Other wise you are on a hiding to nothing... and i wouldn't be here.

Marcus bring out a glove from your book of 10,000 designs!

M77 · « **Reply #13 on:** October 18, 2012, 03:46:10 PM »

Quote from: Leo on October 18, 2012, 03:23:38 PM

Marcus bring out a glove from your book of 10,000 designs!

About 24 sepreate designs, and at least an a4 pad of observations from within the industry...

But it's already being done Leo another sample pair are being made to test... I'm happy to have a go and don't mind the odd bit of stick or goading.

The moment i stop being paid for my work then i know i have nothing to offer.

Howzat · « **Reply #14 on:** October 18, 2012, 03:52:34 PM »

Quote from: M77 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:10 PM

About 24 sepreate designs, and at least an a4 pad of observations from within the industry...

But it's already being done Leo another sample pair are being made to test... I'm happy to have a go and don't mind the odd bit of stick or goading.

The moment i stop being paid for my work then i know i have nothing to offer.

Brill, look forward to seeing them!

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