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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2012, 07:22:29 PM »

Not sure I agree fully here, in theory what you say is absolutely correct but it doesn't always work in match situations otherwise teams sledging won't be part and parcel of the game at international level.

They still have egos and reputations.  Mine has been in tatters for years lol
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #31 on: November 21, 2012, 10:46:13 AM »

Bat on ball if you are doing that should be fine
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #32 on: November 21, 2012, 12:11:45 PM »

Bat on ball if you are doing that should be fine
Is this the most blind comment ever?

I don't think many of us struggle getting bat on ball, This is more to do with timing the ball, hitting the gaps we want, getting your feet going to drive the opening quick down the ground for four.
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #33 on: November 21, 2012, 04:16:15 PM »

maybe Ed Smith likes to read the forum... here via cricinfo are his thoughts, in a piece about sehwag who remains one of my heroes. actually this article had everything for me, even a quote from aakash chopra. note also the comments on how long it takes to score a hundred... you may have seen that before too...

www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/592138.html


The pragmatic art of
Virender Sehwag
He has reached an
understanding with his own
flaws, refused to compromise his
strengths, and stayed true to
himself
Ed Smith
November 21, 2012
The conventional definition of mental strength is much too narrow. Mental strength is not only about guts and determination, sacrifice and suffering. It is also about holding your nerve, about protecting your self-belief under criticism. It is about saying: "I know what works for me.

Sometimes my style of play will look terrible. But over time, I will deliver. And I won't become like everyone else just to avoid
criticism." That takes real guts, too. In fact, the justified refusal to compromise your strengths is the ultimate form of mental strength.

By that measure, Virender Sehwag has exceptional mental strength. As he approaches his 100th Test match, we will hear a lot about Sehwag's remarkable hand-eye coordination, his natural ball-striking, his gift of timing and power. But those strengths needed to be nurtured, to be protected from the many voices that demanded that Sehwag curb his natural instincts and play a different way. Sehwag mastered one of the hardest tricks in sport: he reached an accommodation with his own flaws. He recognised that he could not iron out his weaknesses without losing his voice. In simple terms, he stayed true to himself. The whole game is much richer because he did just that.

I first watched Sehwag when Kent played India in 2002. Even then, there was a lot of talk about what he couldn't do - that he couldn't resist going for his shots, that he got out too easily, that he didn't adapt. I noticed something different. It wasn't the way he hit the bad balls for four. It was the way he dispatched the good ones.

The bowlers ran up and bowled on a length; Sehwag then drove those length balls for four, all along the ground, with very little apparent risk. Not many players can do that. It was a pattern that would be repeated for 100 Tests.

If Sehwag's mental resilience is
underestimated, so is his technique - at least certain strands of his technique. What struck me that day in 2002 was the purity of his bat swing, how squarely the bat face met the ball on impact. And how often he middled the ball.

Isn't that, surely, a central component of a "good technique"?

Yes, Rahul Dravid and Sachin Tendulkar developed more sophisticated techniques that could adapt to difficult pitches. And adaptability, of course, is the ultimate gauge of the ideal all-round technique. But in terms of a technique that makes the best possible contact with a ball flying in a straight line at 85mph, I do not think I've seen a better one than Sehwag's. God-given talent alone - a good eye and fast hands - will not allow you to hit that many balls for four.

Cricket has long misunderstood technique. For too long, the word has been wrongly linked to
obduracy and self-denial.

Technique is simply a set of skills that allows you to respond to the challenges of your sport. It is as much about attacking options as watertight defence. It is Lionel Messi's exceptional technique, his control of the ball, that allows him to play with such flair for Barcelona. It is Roger Federer's basic technique that allows him to play such a dazzling array of shots from any part of the tennis court. So it is with Sehwag. It is his technical mastery of attacking shots that puts extraordinary pressure on the bowler. I remember hearing from Stuart Clark when Australia were about to play the Rest of the World XI in 2005. "Just had a bowlers' meeting," Clark explained, "the area of the pitch we're supposed to land it on against Sehwag is about two millimetres by two millimetres!" A fraction full: expect to be driven for four. A fraction short: expect to be punched off the back foot for four.

Sehwag takes boundary hitting very seriously. It is a skill borne of deep attention to detail: you don't become so good at something without loving it. Many great batsmen sit in the dressing room talking about how the players in the middle are missing out on singles. Sehwag, apparently, pipes up when someone misses an attacking opportunity. "He missed a four!" he will say regretfully.

He also knows which bowlers to target. Aakash Chopra recalls how ruthlessly Sehwag seized on the most vulnerable bowler. He knew exactly which bowlers he could destroy. That takes intelligence as well as self-awareness. And it is a huge benefit to the team. A batsman who can "knock out" one of the opposition's bowlers changes the whole balance of the match. If one bowler effectively cannot bowl when Sehwag is at the wicket, then the others tire much more quickly.

Like all great players, Sehwag developed a game that suited him. Dravid once told me that Brian Lara and Tendulkar were so talented that they could regularly score Test hundreds in three or four hours. But Dravid felt he had to be prepared to bat for more like five or six hours for his hundreds.

Quite simply, in order to score as heavily as Lara and Tendulkar, Dravid thought he had to bat for more balls. Every batsman has to face up to a version of that calculation: what is my natural tempo, what is the appropriate amount of risk for my game?

But there are two sides to that
equation. First, there is time. Secondly, there is run rate. Dravid calculated that he possessed the defensive technique and psychological skills to spend more time in the middle than most great players. So he would compromise on run rate and extend his occupation of the crease.

Sehwag asked the same question but reached the opposite conclusion. Instead of facing more balls, how about scoring more runs off the balls that he did face?

Sehwag's judgement of his own game, just like Dravid's, has been fully vindicated by his record. Here is the crucial point. Sehwag's approach is not "reckless" or "naïve". It is deeply pragmatic.

Steve Waugh said that Sehwag is the ultimate "KISS" player: Keep It Simple, Stupid. But that is easier said than done. After a series of nicks to the slips, it would have been tempting for Sehwag completely to remodel his technique. But he had the courage to stick to his method and the conviction that when he got back on a pitch that suited him, he would make it pay. After a sparkling hundred in his 99th Test, Sehwag now reaches another century. He is looking to be proved right yet again.
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2012, 11:10:22 PM »



Sehwag's judgement of his own game, just like Dravid's, has been fully vindicated by his record. Here is the crucial point. Sehwag's approach is not "reckless" or "naïve". It is deeply pragmatic.

Steve Waugh said that Sehwag is the ultimate "KISS" player: Keep It Simple, Stupid. But that is easier said than done. After a series of nicks to the slips, it would have been tempting for Sehwag completely to remodel his technique. But he had the courage to stick to his method and the conviction that when he got back on a pitch that suited him, he would make it pay. After a sparkling hundred in his 99th Test, Sehwag now reaches another century. He is looking to be proved right yet again.

Fantastic article and insightful, Now could the same be said of KP? Another highly attacking batsman that likes to dominate the bowlers... However  is that's "just the way I bat" a suitable 'reason' for failure. I'm sure we have all heard that KP works exceptionally hard etc. To me, this sounds an extremely weak excuse as opposed to the pragmatic approach stated above by Mr "im not bothered where you bowl it- it's going" Sehwag.

Going back to earlier points regarding clearing your head... How are you meant to clear your head (when thinking about trying to clear your head)?! Using the computer analogy I find it best to search for a restart or reboot button if you will. Generally the reset button is a quick quote to yourself such as "watch the ball" etc, not only can this prove useful as a reminder but it is also the mental trigger to forget everything else. Practised enough it will become second nature and the worries about clearing your head will be replaced with "shall I break out the gangnam style when celebrating the ton!"  ;)
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #35 on: November 22, 2012, 12:42:56 AM »

My best innings last season involved me repeating to myself not out, not out, not out as the bowler was running up, every single ball was played on its merit until the one that I got myself out to! I stopped concentrating and got a leading edge when pulling a half track.

I can only think of one wicket when I was got out rather than getting myself out, having had quite a bit of coaching it was ace to watch myself on video - and talking to the coach he was interested in my reaction to how I felt, and I was quite negative, but on watching the recording I looked good, miles better than playing myself down in my head and i looked in control of what I was doing.

So much of sport is won and lost in our heads, so I try and reboot every ball, by repeating the basics, stance, a couple of taps of the bat, a shift of weight onto each foot and a decent back lift, high enough to be able to have a statement of intent, but ready for almost everything.

And I do try and keep it simple.

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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #36 on: November 22, 2012, 12:22:59 PM »

However  is that's "just the way I bat" a suitable 'reason' for failure. I'm sure we have all heard that KP works exceptionally hard etc. To me, this sounds an extremely weak excuse as opposed to the pragmatic approach stated above by Mr "im not bothered where you bowl it- it's going" Sehwag.


Quite agree that KP's excuse is not entirely valid when he phrases it in such a self aggranising way, though it is actually not that different to Sehwag's in essence.  The only thing I would say that differs between the two is that Sehwag is pretty classical - see ball, hit ball - whereas KP tends to try and do odd things...
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #37 on: November 22, 2012, 04:36:23 PM »

KP tries to get too clever with reverse sweeps, switch hits etc. even though he can clearly play the "see ball hit ball" game.  Sehwag only really plays "see ball hit ball" cricket, which means that there's less that can go wrong.  Yes, he doesn't move his feet and has technical flaws, but with most things, organic and mechanical, the more movement there is, the higher the chance of errors/mistakes/things going wrong

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« Reply #38 on: November 22, 2012, 05:30:52 PM »

My best innings last season involved me repeating to myself not out, not out, not out as the bowler was running up, every single ball was played on its merit until the one that I got myself out to! I stopped concentrating and got a leading edge when pulling a half track.

I can only think of one wicket when I was got out rather than getting myself out, having had quite a bit of coaching it was ace to watch myself on video - and talking to the coach he was interested in my reaction to how I felt, and I was quite negative, but on watching the recording I looked good, miles better than playing myself down in my head and i looked in control of what I was doing.

So much of sport is won and lost in our heads, so I try and reboot every ball, by repeating the basics, stance, a couple of taps of the bat, a shift of weight onto each foot and a decent back lift, high enough to be able to have a statement of intent, but ready for almost everything.

And I do try and keep it simple.

This is an ace topic

This is me all over ;-)
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #39 on: November 22, 2012, 05:44:31 PM »

My best innings last season involved me repeating to myself not out, not out, not out as the bowler was running up, every single ball was played on its merit until the one that I got myself out to! I stopped concentrating and got a leading edge when pulling a half track.

I can only think of one wicket when I was got out rather than getting myself out, having had quite a bit of coaching it was ace to watch myself on video - and talking to the coach he was interested in my reaction to how I felt, and I was quite negative, but on watching the recording I looked good, miles better than playing myself down in my head and i looked in control of what I was doing.

So much of sport is won and lost in our heads, so I try and reboot every ball, by repeating the basics, stance, a couple of taps of the bat, a shift of weight onto each foot and a decent back lift, high enough to be able to have a statement of intent, but ready for almost everything.

And I do try and keep it simple.

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this works for me also :) "not out, not out"
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« Reply #40 on: November 22, 2012, 05:45:29 PM »

My best innings last season involved me repeating to myself not out, not out, not out as the bowler was running up, every single ball was played on its merit until the one that I got myself out to! I stopped concentrating and got a leading edge when pulling a half track.

I can only think of one wicket when I was got out rather than getting myself out, having had quite a bit of coaching it was ace to watch myself on video - and talking to the coach he was interested in my reaction to how I felt, and I was quite negative, but on watching the recording I looked good, miles better than playing myself down in my head and i looked in control of what I was doing.

So much of sport is won and lost in our heads, so I try and reboot every ball, by repeating the basics, stance, a couple of taps of the bat, a shift of weight onto each foot and a decent back lift, high enough to be able to have a statement of intent, but ready for almost everything.

And I do try and keep it simple.

This is an ace topic

I usually say "Watch the ball" to myself over and over.

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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #41 on: November 22, 2012, 06:50:09 PM »

KP tries to get too clever with reverse sweeps, switch hits etc. even though he can clearly play the "see ball hit ball" game.  Sehwag only really plays "see ball hit ball" cricket, which means that there's less that can go wrong.  Yes, he doesn't move his feet and has technical flaws, but with most things, organic and mechanical, the more movement there is, the higher the chance of errors/mistakes/things going wrong

similar to Trescothick and a few others really - its a technique that forces the bowler to work out how to get you out, whereas someone like KP when he is not in top form bowlers can sort of wait for it to just happen.
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2012, 02:53:01 PM »

Bowlers get 6 legitimate chances per over to get you out, a batsman (should) only have one chance per innings. They do not need additional help through high risk shots and low percentage cricket. Look at the most prolific run scorers over recent history none of whom were particularly revolutionary in their style of play. Yes at times footwork may be lacking (Sehwag, Tresco etc) or it may be felt they have been overly aggressive (Hayden, Gayle) but all have something in common -  a strong core, well balanced and well set upon striking the ball. Even if you look at players such as Chanderpaul who im sure all know starts off chest on the bowler,but upon delivery he has moved into a settled (relatively orthodox) position. Inginuity is fantastic for T20 but Tests are called so because thas what they are; A test of resolve and ability to work out how to score runs with as little risk as possible. I'd much rather have players scoring 50-60 odd consistently than a few single figure scores followed by a mammoth ton followed by more single figure scores. They would probably lead to a similar average but give a completely unfair view of the determination of the players. Its very easy to give it away on green tops or dry dusty turning decks and make hay on roads, however meaningful runs are scored when its tough. Iam not condoning going into a shell scoring at 2 runs per over as that would not make a good spectacle and the modern day game demands a higher runs per over average than yesteryear, but that can be acheived without giving it away.

Not sure whether this was a rant or an observation but im done lol.
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« Reply #43 on: November 23, 2012, 10:42:43 PM »

I have only been playing club cricket since the last 2 years. The first year I did well and wanted to push on from there. After having a good start to the previous season, I put extra pressure on myself to perform well, where I got ridiculously angry at myself for playing a bad shot or failing to put away a bad ball. The result was loss of touch completely. I got dropped into the third team again . I couldn't enjoy batting at all and started wondering what I did wrong. I bought a couple of extra bats , some extra pairs of gloves , Aero strippers in an attempt to improve batting (Silly me ) but couldn't get a run . To make things worse I had a freak cricket accident where I ended up with 9 stitches to my lip . I had a fresh thought about why I played in the first place which is to enjoy cricket. I stopped bothering about performance and kept on reminding myself something that Ian Bell said in an interview about not being hard on yourself when it's tough.I ditched all the gear which was burden, They feel heavy when you don't score runs  and stuck to one bat and used my lucky thigh pad thereafter. I got out only twice in the next 5 matches and ended up getting a classy fifty odd in the last game batting at number 6 for 2nd XI . I learnt a few lessons the last season , the main ones being to enjoy the game and not to be harsh on yourself.
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Re: Batting: Understanding your own game
« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2012, 01:11:58 AM »

Is this the most blind comment ever?

I don't think many of us struggle getting bat on ball, This is more to do with timing the ball, hitting the gaps we want, getting your feet going to drive the opening quick down the ground for four.

I believe he was asking us on our individual experience,
in my opinion when you are out of form, people tend to over-think batting, getting bat on ball consistantly can be the most reassuring thing when out of form.
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