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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #45 on: March 22, 2013, 11:27:52 AM »

Sachin would spit the dummy 'cos he's not batting at 4...
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #46 on: March 22, 2013, 11:35:15 AM »

Sachin would spit the dummy 'cos he's not batting at 4...

he can spit as much as he wants but there are better batsmen ahead of him (although in this case he's opening :) ). tbh, i wouldnt even have him in my 11 but thats personal choice.
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« Reply #47 on: March 22, 2013, 12:09:07 PM »

he can spit as much as he wants but there are better batsmen ahead of him (although in this case he's opening :) ). tbh, i wouldnt even have him in my 11 but thats personal choice.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's overrated...
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2013, 12:10:54 PM »

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks he's overrated...

Oh I think he's up there with the top batsmen in cricket, just not sure he's in the top 6 batsmen.
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2013, 12:26:07 PM »

agree and agree - I put him in my XI mostly cos I felt I had too!
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #50 on: March 22, 2013, 12:29:02 PM »

Course you'd need openers! thats a bit like saying we'll gamble on starting our innings at 150-0 or 12-2.
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #51 on: March 22, 2013, 12:36:10 PM »

1 - Boycott
2 - Richards
3 - Ponting
4 - Sir Viv
5 - Lara
6 - Sobers
7 - De Villiars
8 - Freddie Flintoff (my idol sorry)
9 - Warne
10 - Marshall
11 - Trueman

My only 'hard' choice for me was as  Wicket Keeper. I'm not overly knowledgable of past keepers so I'm afraid I was limited to only really knowing about Healey, Stewart, G.Jones, Prior, ABdV and Gilly. I choose AB over gilly because I think AB is/will be a far better batsmen than Gilly and he's awesome. Freddie is in their purely because he's the reason I even started liking Cricket so anyone that is the sole reason for even looking at the game deserves to get in your team.
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #52 on: March 22, 2013, 12:37:00 PM »

First three bat all day, wear everyone down.. then unleash Sir Viv, Lara, Sobers, AB and Freddie on them :)
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #53 on: March 22, 2013, 12:41:21 PM »

Oh I think he's up there with the top batsmen in cricket, just not sure he's in the top 6 batsmen.

Who's in your top six if the batsman who holds the records for most runs and hundreds in Tests and ODIs, and most international runs. First man to score a Double hundred in ODI's averages 54 in nearly 200 test matches, and 44 in 463 Odi matches. Made his first test hundred at 17 years old and has carried the weight of a billion people for years with very little complaining. 

Overrated!!!! Seriously!!!!

What else would he need to do to be rated?
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2013, 12:42:28 PM »

So if you don't need openers, why have you picked them lol? Surely there are betrter batsmen!

Mine:

Gavaskar
Richards
Kallis
Tendulkar
S Waugh (c)
Sobers
IVA
Gilchrist
Warne
Akram
Walsh
« Last Edit: March 22, 2013, 12:48:31 PM by Nickauger »
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #55 on: March 22, 2013, 12:47:30 PM »

I'd have to go
1 B Richards
2 G Greenidge
3 J Kallis
4 B Lara
5 V Richards
6 G Sobers
7 A Gilchrist
8 S Warne
9 W Akram
10 M Muralitharan
11 M Holding

Tough between Dravid and Kallis, but I went for big Jacques as he can bowl.  Bowling wise, that's every base covered for any pitch. Right/Left arm pace/swing/spin all included.  Plus an exciting batting line up!

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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #56 on: March 22, 2013, 12:48:44 PM »

Who's in your top six if the batsman who holds the records for most runs and hundreds in Tests and ODIs, and most international runs. First man to score a Double hundred in ODI's averages 54 in nearly 200 test matches, and 44 in 463 Odi matches. Made his first test hundred at 17 years old and has carried the weight of a billion people for years with very little complaining. 

Overrated!!!! Seriously!!!!

What else would he need to do to be rated?

Did I at any point say he wasn't up there? No
I do however think that as we all talk about Indian wickets being easy to score bigger runs on, some very weak teams to score runs against etc that maybe (and I have no interest in looking up his record against Bang etc) some of these runs when coupled with the demise of bowling over teh last 10 to 15 years and the advent of helmets, bats etc has maybe inflated his stats a little. I'd venture he's still up there but for me he's not 'the greatest batsmen ever as some proclaim him to be'. He's a modern great of that there is no doubt, however when (for me) put up against Richards, Ponting (in his prime), Sir Viv, Lara, Sobers, Kallis (given he bowls too which has meant he's had more injuries and as we know being an all rounder is harder on the mind/body so probably costs him a few runs over the years), I'd say he's just behind.

If we did a 'last 15/20 years select xi' he'd easily slot in at number 4 without a doubt. Plus, it's all personal opinion remember as there is no right or wrong answer :)
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #57 on: March 22, 2013, 12:51:34 PM »

So if you don't need openers, why have you picked them lol? Surely there are betrter batsmen!

Mine:

Gavaskar
Richards
Kallis
Tendulkar
S Waugh (c)
Sobers
IVA
Gilchrist
Warne
Akram
Walsh

I picked them as I like the idea in Test cricket of Boycott batting all week long, holding an end up etc. Richards I've read about and my dad raved about so he's up there with the best skill wise.. Just happens that as he's in my top 6 batsmen and opened he's the opener. Otherwise i'd have probably just stuck Ponting opening as anyone really in the top 4 or 5 should be able to open.

I'd expect if you asked KP to open in test cricket he wouldn't suddenly be crap. I suspect they'd be little to no difference. Probably the same for trott, kallis, Amla etc etc
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #58 on: March 22, 2013, 12:55:26 PM »

I'd disagree, I'd say there is a huge difference between having a dasher at the top and some-one with a tight technique! But as you've said its a personal choice, and I personally don't like the balance!
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Re: Greatest Post War XI
« Reply #59 on: March 22, 2013, 12:59:38 PM »

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/35320.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting

It's worth looking at his stats tho, I think they are relevant....

he was pretty good in most conditions outside of India also, played against the best bowlers also. (McGrath, Warne, Donald, Pollock, Ambrose, Walsh, Murali)

As you said pro that's your choice.
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