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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2013, 01:21:24 PM »

Nets on a mass scale aren't great practice to be honest.

Bowlers bowling one ball at a time can't be very helpful to them and batsman facing an array of different bowlers and actions is an absolute nightmare

My old club tried to implement a slow/spin, fast/medium and a bowling machine net a few years back. Each batsman faced 2 overs (full overs from 2 separate bowlers in each net) followed by a bucket of balls v the bowling machine.

It worked well while we had a coach overseeing it, when he wasn't it soon descended into a few-for-all.

Obviously it depends on your numbers

Thanks for that Alba. This is the kind of thing I had been thinking of trying to introduce. We have loosely attempted it in the past but as you say we have no official coach so it doesn't tend to work out. Until this year I have always bowled in nets as despit being a keeper I can still send down some reasonable stuff but lately the body has objected to this so I am thinking of just doing the organisation and batting when time allows.
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #16 on: January 02, 2013, 01:21:56 PM »

I personally would like it to be a 2 to 3 hour session. You have 5 lanes in the indoor place in chelt so I'd have 3 lanes set up with a machine, and then the last 2 nets for bowlers.

Batsmen then rotate through the 3 machine nets which work on specific shots (for arguements sake lets take the basic, full on off stump, good line and length and then back of a length). The bowlers work on lines and lengths with a zone marked onto the floor for them to hit. you could have different zones for different people if you want by just using different colour chalk or something.

Once people have cycled through (you can do 10/15 mins on each machine station) batting wise, the bowling nets then have batsmen inserted as training and the bowlers are then given a target (Say, bowl 6 balls all back of a length on off stump, or bowl full and at middle etc etc (simply learning control)). The batsmen gets to face 'live' bowling and the bowler is still just training up balls/control.

You can then either keep cycling people through the machines (maybe changing the shots etc) and take one lane out and do some keeping training with your keepers. Maybe remove a machine lane in the last hour and do some spin, have your spinners in there and batsmen can train against that.

If a batsmen just starts slogging then if people stopped saying 'good shot' 'wow' etc and went 'hey dave, you will never play that in a game even if you nailed the next 1000 in a row, why bother!', people will get the message eventually and play 'properly'.

You can do other sessions where the bowler is given a scenario to bowl too and the batsmen is given something and told a field etc.. bit of match stuff.. you can do a bit of indoor sixs type stuff and practice dropping and running in pairs etc etc.
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #17 on: January 02, 2013, 01:25:22 PM »

Sounds fantatstic but as you said before I doubt that there is even a top Premier League club in the country who manages a regular set up as good as that. There are some good ideas contained within though that may work. Just thinking how much that would all cost is giving me a headache  :(
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2013, 01:26:49 PM »

The coaches role is key in this and is why it didn't work out long term for us. If you have a senior player that is happy to oversee that is great but he will spend the majority of his time clock watching and making sure the more simple members of the squad are where they are meant to be, and subsequently might not join in much

Another problem is that not every sports hall/smaller club has a bowling machine
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2013, 01:30:24 PM »

The coaches role is key in this and is why it didn't work out long term for us. If you have a senior player that is happy to oversee that is great but he will spend the majority of his time clock watching and making sure the more simple members of the squad are where they are meant to be, and subsequently might not join in much

Another problem is that not every sports hall/smaller club has a bowling machine

Well if I take the role then there is only me to blame  ;)
Our venue has a bowling machine now and we are trying to save up the funds to purchase our own so hopefully should work ok
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2013, 01:35:43 PM »

Very true! You should be able to direct operations from the bowling machine!
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2013, 01:35:59 PM »

However, I realise that I have always taken sport a little more seriously than most 'normal' people and that outside commitments mean others can't give hours a week just to train so what little time they have they want to mess about, have a slog, chat or generally just be there for time away from home etc.

To me I can't understand why people don't want to be the best they can be, doesn't matter how good or bad that is, or what level you play at (I'm not a believer in 'level' business tbh).

I also suspect if you have too 'serious' a net session you will find a few regulars attend,but a fair few will just not bother because it's too 'serious' and probably too much like hard work. So it's finding a balance, you need them to be constructive BUT not put people off.. Which to me unfortunately at the amateur level means nets are basically a turn up and slog session rather than anything decent.

Well If I go off what it would cost me to put that on.. (assume people brought their own drink, balls etc.)

£39 an hour for the hall (so that'd 39x3=£117)
Most clubs have a machine at least so if we say an 'average' club only really needs say 3 lanes.. Hire another machine for a few hours (which is around £20 an hour or something - For the club Im thinking about 2 of us have our own machines so the club would need to hire one machine 3x20=£60

So a total cost of £177 per session. However, yes that is a lot for one session BUT my theory would be that if people knew you ran quality training sessions mroe people are likely to attend from your club AND the chances are you'd attract other players to your club. Charge each player £5 say per session.. Even if you only got say 20 people per session it's only costing your club £77. I reckon with sessions like that you'd attract more players than 20 anyway. I think one of hte clubs I netted with last year ((No Swearing Please) nets) lost loads because barring those 3 or 4 'stars' who just dominated things everyoen else just said 'sod that' and didnt' bother going.
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2013, 01:36:55 PM »

Having a two to three hour session with two nets of bowlers generally provides you with a number of major problems. With two nets, and 1.5 hours, bowlers (even with 6 per net) are generally tired at the end of 1.5 hours. If you run them for 3 hours, people will get bored.

The difficulty is that you can only ever have 3 or 4 batsmen at a time in nets (and most places don't get 3 or 4 nets) and if you have a bowling net with 6 or more people bowling, your bowlers bowl six, then get cold, then bowl six and pull something. Indoor nets just aren't set up with the space to operate properly.

I'd use somewhere like the Oval, book the entire hall, then have a machine net, a bowling net and the remainder of the space as fielding practice. When bowlers are not in their 3 over bowling spell, they are fielding, as are the batsmen. That way, you can keep all the people who turn up involved and doing something. Matches are a bit different because you do support the guys in the middle, or are on your toes when fielding. Nets just don't have that so keeping people going can be pretty tricky.

£5 per session is a pretty normal price at adult sub rates, with a discount if you pay for the lot in one hit. I'm not syaing it wouldn't work, but at ECB Premier level you are more likely to get attendees than at Surrey division four with that kind of set-up.
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2013, 01:40:22 PM »

@tim - I wouldn't ever expect that training session by the way. It's just what I'd love to be involved in. I feel it would lead to the improvement of so many players, very quickly too.
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2013, 01:54:22 PM »

I'm all for bettering yourself but to suggest that most clubs can afford to subsidize sessions by £77 per week is unrealistic. Most clubs beneath prem level wouldn't want to subsidize by a penny and rightly so.

My current club net indoors from Jan/Feb once a week, right through to April. The money lost on these sessions in that time could go towards hiring a coach or overseas pro for the season

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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2013, 01:56:22 PM »

Ours is a nightmare, 2 hours with 4 lanes and about 50-60 people turning up!  You get about 10 minutes batting if you're lucky and no coaching.  This season is going to be a nightmare as our usual place is being renovated and we'll have 3 lanes for an hour for non 1/2XI players.  Hence I'm forking out for some 121 coaching and focusing more on my fitness than last season.

We also have to fork out for winter nets at £5 session which last season worked out at £65 for me, which given I only scored 67 runs kind of speaks for itself!
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #26 on: January 02, 2013, 01:57:31 PM »

I think every club has a small group of players who would net every day of the week if given the chance, unfortunatly as stated above the cost implications for those keen individuals go up as the participation levels go down.

Our nets start off really busy with a room full of buzzing cricketers and its great but towards the end of the winter net stage, before we start to go out side this wanes alot. Starting nets too early has been a problem for us in the past.

I've always been the type to practice with the intensity that i would have in a match situation and that is difficult when some of the bowling you face hits the lighting, the netting and the odd one lands perfectly, grips and makes you look very silly. Therefore having a bowling machine is very handy.

some batsman at our club need to be netting all the time or get out of nick whereas some can just pick a bat up and look a million dollars, strange...
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #27 on: January 02, 2013, 01:59:49 PM »

batsmen are all different. I gain confidence from good net sessions, whereas my friend hates them! He believes if he has played well the week before if he touches a bat in between it could mean he gets out of form so just won't bother. I hate that because i don't feel like he's putting any effort in to improve because although you will improve by playing matches you won't improve as much as someone training a few times a week. Otherwise pro's wouldnt' train!

I agree most clubs cant take a loss on nets, I'd expect more that 20 people to come to that mentioned session though. Probably more like 40 once word gets round it's worth actually attending!

I will be attending 3 or 4 different clubs 'pre-season' nets this year so it'll be interesting to see what they are like. I suspect as none there will know me I'll get a load of balls aimed at the stumps which I'll deal with and then suddenly I'll just get my head knocked off. I would put money on it
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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #28 on: January 02, 2013, 02:02:37 PM »

So basically I think we are saying that winter nets are never going to be perfect. For every player that wants to net with the intensity of a match there is another who wants to have a chat with his mates and throw down the odd pie/bouncer. Glad it is not just my club that faces this issue!

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Re: Winter nets setup
« Reply #29 on: January 02, 2013, 02:04:32 PM »

can't remember who it was but they had the most realistic idea tbh.. 3 lanes.. one batting against hte machine, one bowling net and then a net where the bowlers bowl and the batsmen face (give the bowler a plan to bowl too to train them control).

That's probably the only realistic way mere mortals can train at really. Like I said, I don't think any clubs clubs nets will achieve anything other than just get people together for a natter and a slog.

anyway, gym time.. see you all in 90 mins :) Got 5 stone to lose :(
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