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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #510 on: March 25, 2013, 02:07:38 AM »

Im an Aussie and this actually might sound weird but i do not go for them. Hate the australian team and i am actually glad they lost this series maybe now the selectors and players will get a good understanding that the team needs fixing in whole. Even tho England are playing average cricket atm against New Zealand I see them beating the Australians if the teams stays this way.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #511 on: March 25, 2013, 04:05:28 AM »

Im an Aussie and this actually might sound weird but i do not go for them. Hate the australian team and i am actually glad they lost this series maybe now the selectors and players will get a good understanding that the team needs fixing in whole. Even tho England are playing average cricket atm against New Zealand I see them beating the Australians if the teams stays this way.

Wow haha. So tell us who you do support then?? And please don't tell us you were a proud Aussie when they were winning...
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #512 on: March 25, 2013, 11:44:24 AM »

Hahaha Im actually a huge Pakistan fan. Funny thing is in every sport i follow and watch I never go for Australia. Not a proud supporter even when they are winning i think that's what puts me off them actually. To me I Find the Australians to arrogant and cocky and to me i find some of their antics unsportsman like.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #513 on: March 25, 2013, 05:08:50 PM »

Check out this post on the new Custom Bats Blog and see what you think of my opinion!

http://blog.custombats.co.uk/2013/03/25/what-next-for-whitewashed-australia/
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #514 on: March 26, 2013, 12:05:58 AM »

Check out this post on the new Custom Bats Blog and see what you think of my opinion!

Please don't think I'm being deliberately nasty but I'm not sure you're cut out for punditry - your whole article, riddled with inconsistencies and inaccuracies, amounts to "pick the same team" which I doubt even the most egocentric Australian would go for as a serious policy come Ashes time.  What point are you trying to make?  What is the focus of your piece? And how seriously did you sense check it? I ask because I can't see how Clarke had a poor series with the bat (130 and 91 out of six completed knocks is pretty decent in alien conditions) nor can I see how a player can be described a form player when they will have played no cricket for five months, which would be the position were Doolan suddenly selected in the Austalian summer...
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #515 on: March 26, 2013, 12:38:14 AM »

Please don't think I'm being deliberately nasty but I'm not sure you're cut out for punditry - your whole article, riddled with inconsistencies and inaccuracies, amounts to "pick the same team" which I doubt even the most egocentric Australian would go for as a serious policy come Ashes time.  What point are you trying to make?  What is the focus of your piece? And how seriously did you sense check it? I ask because I can't see how Clarke had a poor series with the bat (130 and 91 out of six completed knocks is pretty decent in alien conditions) nor can I see how a player can be described a form player when they will have played no cricket for five months, which would be the position were Doolan suddenly selected in the Austalian summer...

I understand where your coming from but my opinion is that Australia have a solid base, Cowan and Warner's form last year was fantastic and Clarke is the only born leader in the squad, I must have been harsher on him in the post than I realised and I put that across poorly so apologies for that, I also think Hughes could be a very decent number 3 if they stick with him. The idea behind it was that they shouldn't make knee-jerk decisions on an Indian series, which as you say is played in alien-conditions. I understand Doolan has dropped in form but he is still striking good half centuries, 2 weeks ago he hit 83 against Queensland and of course the 87 against the West Indies XI for the PM's XI late in January. I still think he could do a job if asked, Australia don't have bundles to choose from batting wise without going to Hussey and Ponting.

I'll look more closely at my research for the next post (if you choose to visit the blog again!) Thanks for your feedback though.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #516 on: March 26, 2013, 10:46:57 AM »

The idea behind it was that they shouldn't make knee-jerk decisions on an Indian series, which as you say is played in alien-conditions. I understand Doolan has dropped in form but he is still striking good half centuries, 2 weeks ago he hit 83 against Queensland and of course the 87 against the West Indies XI for the PM's XI late in January. I still think he could do a job if asked, Australia don't have bundles to choose from batting wise without going to Hussey and Ponting.

If that was indeed the idea behind it, you should have pitched the piece as such, rather than trying to put forward a review of Australian cricket which suggests to the reader that they are going to be offered something that gets to the heart of the issues and suggests solution, rather than saying "it ain't broke..."

As regards Doolan, the point I was making was that if they were selecting him as a fom player they would have had to do it by now - to do so after the Ashes would be ridiculous as, wel, what form would he have at tht point.  Thats the same logic as brought Rob Quiney into the side...
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #517 on: March 26, 2013, 11:30:26 AM »

That was the most spineless effort from Oz batting line up I have ever seen this last series.

Utterly useless.

We have bowlers coming through...good fast bowlers who will do damage.

The only batsmen that have any potential are young kids who are nowhere near test ready.

Kurtis Patterson
Jordan Silk
Joe Burns
Nic Maddinson

...are all quality young kids, but they are all kids with Burns being the oldest of the lot.

In the 24 to 30 age bracket, we have a doughnut. It is a sea of NQRers (Hughes, Khawaja, Smith) and other blokes who simply haven't come on at all for what ever reason (S. Marsh, Ferguson etc).

This will be our achilies heal over the next year or two until those kids come on, IF they come on.

England are in disarray - but still more settled overall than Australia...and I expect England to win easily.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #518 on: March 26, 2013, 11:33:51 AM »

England are in disarray

really, why do you say that??
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #519 on: March 26, 2013, 11:51:28 AM »

really, why do you say that??

Crushed by Pakistan 3-0.
Drew series with SL
Annihilated on home soil by SA.
Struggled to avoid defeat by lowly New Zealand

...all in the last year and a bit.

If you consider that an impressive form line, then you must really be setting the bar low.

We might be totally (No Swearing Please), but you guys are hardly in red hot form yourselves.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #520 on: March 26, 2013, 12:02:31 PM »

Crushed by Pakistan 3-0.
Drew series with SL
Annihilated on home soil by SA.
Struggled to avoid defeat by lowly New Zealand

...all in the last year and a bit.

If you consider that an impressive form line, then you must really be setting the bar low.

We might be totally (No Swearing Please), but you guys are hardly in red hot form yourselves.

You missed out the hugely impressive win in India (and the series win against WI)  ;)

I agree we're not in red hot form, but a draw in Sri Lanka isn't to be scoffed at either.

As for the Pakistan series, that was an utter shambles and I offer no excuses for it nor the annihilation by South Africa, and considering their form at the moment I don't think anyone can begrudge them their ranking.

Our performances in New Zealand too have been inexcusable and IMHO I think England took their eye off the ball for this series, which sets it up nicely for the return in May.

I'd hardly call it disarray, the squad is settled bar who bats at 6 and we appear to be getting our homework in on time!!!  ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #521 on: March 26, 2013, 12:02:58 PM »

Crushed by Pakistan 3-0.
Drew series with SL
Annihilated on home soil by SA.
Struggled to avoid defeat by lowly New Zealand

...all in the last year and a bit.

If you consider that an impressive form line, then you must really be setting the bar low.

We might be totally (No Swearing Please), but you guys are hardly in red hot form yourselves.

beaten by a good Pakistan side in tough conditions, sure, recoved to draw a tough series in SL, which is a solid result, SL at home are a tough side.
Thumped the WI at home. Got beaten by a formidable SA side (no disgrace). Beat India in India which virtually no one does. Ensured we didn't lose in NZ, the last day fight showed great character in the dressing room.

We have a solid unit of players who all know their roles, with competition for places in all positions.
I wouldn't say we are in disarray, Ali Cook is still maturing as a leader.

Disarray is where we were in the 90's
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #522 on: March 26, 2013, 12:04:31 PM »

If that was indeed the idea behind it, you should have pitched the piece as such, rather than trying to put forward a review of Australian cricket which suggests to the reader that they are going to be offered something that gets to the heart of the issues and suggests solution, rather than saying "it ain't broke..."

As regards Doolan, the point I was making was that if they were selecting him as a fom player they would have had to do it by now - to do so after the Ashes would be ridiculous as, wel, what form would he have at tht point.  Thats the same logic as brought Rob Quiney into the side...

I completely understand where you coming from and reading it again it seems I did not go into it with a clear conclusion, so thanks for the feedback.

In regards to Doolan, should injuries come then every Australian first-class player not involved in the IPL, English game or ODI and twenty20 squads would be in the same position. So if you go about it that way then it lessens the players pool quite considerably. I'm sure Swann will be thrown right into the Champions Trophy despite not played a competitive game in 3 months.
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #523 on: March 26, 2013, 12:15:17 PM »

beaten by a good Pakistan side in tough conditions, sure, recoved to draw a tough series in SL, which is a solid result, SL at home are a tough side.

Thumped the WI at home. Got beaten by a formidable SA side (no disgrace). Beat India in India which virtually no one does. Ensured we didn't lose in NZ, the last day fight showed great character in the dressing room.

We have a solid unit of players who all know their roles, with competition for places in all positions.
I wouldn't say we are in disarray, Ali Cook is still maturing as a leader.

Disarray is where we were in the 90's

And, NZ drew in Sri Lanka too, as well as in Australia. The England team seem to be with their captain too...
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Re: Australia in India 2013
« Reply #524 on: March 26, 2013, 12:30:21 PM »

beaten by a good Pakistan side in tough conditions, sure, recoved to draw a tough series in SL, which is a solid result, SL at home are a tough side.
Thumped the WI at home. Got beaten by a formidable SA side (no disgrace). Beat India in India which virtually no one does. Ensured we didn't lose in NZ, the last day fight showed great character in the dressing room.

We have a solid unit of players who all know their roles, with competition for places in all positions.
I wouldn't say we are in disarray, Ali Cook is still maturing as a leader.

Disarray is where we were in the 90's

If the Pakistan series went for four tests, you would have lost 4-0. If it went for five, it would have been 5-0.

How is that different or in any way better than what Australia have just endured in India?

You drew in SL which you consider a "solid result" - Australia won there.

You got annihilated by SA at home - but that is apparently no disgrace, yet Australia nearly toppled that same SA team less than 5 months later with rain thwarting us in Brisbane and Pattinson unavailable and Hilfy going down during the test in Adelaide leaving us a fast bowler short when we had SA on the rack.

The desperate batting to save a humiliating series defeat at the hands of lowly New Zealand masks over the fact that New Zealand smashed your bowlers twice in the same match and declared the second time with only time being their enemy, never a possibility of England manufacturing a win. How you draw any solace out of that is reminiscent of the Iraqi Information Minister telling Al Jazeera "there are no American tanks in Bagdad, in fact, we are cutting them to pieces in the desert and they are fleeing for their lives" ....while US tanks were rumbling right behind him!

....but you won a series in India (when they were ripe for the picking) for the first time in 28 years and apparently all is well in the cricketing universe!
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