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tushar sehgal

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Have at it...
« on: March 04, 2013, 01:31:14 PM »

I shared this with Chad over the weekend but here it is for everyone else to criticize...any faults/improvements to be made. Please keep in mind that we don't really have a run-up area indoors but where in the bowling action can improvements be made, I noticed my non-bowling arm needs to be a tad bit higher to start (I am in the blue India shirt)

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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2013, 01:33:50 PM »

Your second ball was alright...
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« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2013, 01:43:11 PM »

Well, aside from the fact that you don't really follow through, I notice that as your action goes from right to left (which is probably why you naturally bowl outswing). If you look where your front arm is, you aren't throwing it up in front and pulling down on it in line with the stumps, you are throwing it across to your right hand side and and then pulling across to your left. This has the effect of creating a body rotation from right to left that will force your bowling arm to do something similar and generate outswing.

If you can get your left arm up in front of you, you are more likely to pull down straight, and then bring your bowling arm through straight, from where you can work on swinging the ball in both directions.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2013, 01:55:21 PM »

Well, aside from the fact that you don't really follow through, I notice that as your action goes from right to left (which is probably why you naturally bowl outswing). If you look where your front arm is, you aren't throwing it up in front and pulling down on it in line with the stumps, you are throwing it across to your right hand side and and then pulling across to your left. This has the effect of creating a body rotation from right to left that will force your bowling arm to do something similar and generate outswing.

If you can get your left arm up in front of you, you are more likely to pull down straight, and then bring your bowling arm through straight, from where you can work on swinging the ball in both directions.

I think Tim's right on this one, I don't know how I managed to miss that! ;) I guess I got the bowling arm finishing closer to the hip part right though! 8)
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2013, 02:56:26 PM »

You have a mixed side arm action, your front foot at the time of landing is almost facing fine leg which is making your whole body pivot around it towards the off stump, which creates stress on the lower back and might cause injury.

I found this article quite interesting :

http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article

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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2013, 03:55:13 PM »

You have a mixed side arm action, your front foot at the time of landing is almost facing fine leg which is making your whole body pivot around it towards the off stump, which creates stress on the lower back and might cause injury.

I found this article quite interesting :

http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article




As a seam bowler struggling with lower-back pain, this is very interesting reading. I'm pretty sure that I do quite a few of the things the study suggested were detrimental to the well-being of the back.
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2013, 04:28:20 PM »

Reviewing your bowling against the coaching manual, you can see in the video the following two issues:

1. Your general alignment into delivery then follow through. your back leg is out to the left hand side while your front leg is roughly 12 inches across the crease to the right. You can see that in this part of the video:



My comment about you throwing your leading arm out to the right maybe linked to this, but your alignment is somewhat off kilter.

2. You deliver from a massively laterally flexed position:

1st Ball:

2nd Ball:

With alignment showing:


Look where your head is in both these deliveries. Your whole body is bent over to the side, so maintaining control and generating pace is going to be extremely difficult.

In both cases your body is managing your balance rather than fluidly maintaining your pace through the delivery. Your lateral flexion will also mean that the arc your arm will draw is as below:



With your body moving as it is and the way your arm is following, you are essentially generating outswing through your action and not through the tools that Dale Steyn uses. If you can get yourself upright and aligned, those may be much more use.
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2013, 04:58:53 PM »

I really want to film myself now. That dissection of his action is brilliant, Tim.
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 05:02:22 PM »

I really want to film myself now. That dissection of his action is brilliant, Tim.
I'm a getting on a bit bowler. I try and help at nets.
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2013, 05:03:29 PM »

Wow this is great, thanks Tim and everyone else. I will read it again tonight and soak...2 things i should have mentioned is

a) due to a short run up I am coming in an angle which takes me across the stumps, i run in bowl a lot straighter otherwise but I am sure there are still issues with the alignment.
b) I have a severly injured right kneed, just got it xrayed, which is impacting bowling action and follow through...

again thanks for the pointers, lots of work to be done
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2013, 05:10:21 PM »

Wow this is great, thanks Tim and everyone else. I will read it again tonight and soak...2 things i should have mentioned is

a) due to a short run up I am coming in an angle which takes me across the stumps, i run in bowl a lot straighter otherwise but I am sure there are still issues with the alignment.
b) I have a severly injured right kneed, just got it xrayed, which is impacting bowling action and follow through...

again thanks for the pointers, lots of work to be done

Yup, generally though, try fix one thing at a time! I find that this really helps prevent injuries which can happen if you try and change everything at once. Maybe prioritise on what you want to work on first, and I would say it would be to lower the risks of injuries, so form is probably the first thing! Lots of shadow bowling to be done around the house Tushar! The shadow batting can wait, your Torque isn't quite at your doorstep yet! 8) I'll try remember a camera and a stand next time I bowl, I really want to improve this year in both pace, accuracy and form. :)
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2013, 05:20:07 PM »

Yeah i think I will be working on being straighter and delivering so i can use my height to its fullest too...
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2013, 05:57:20 PM »

That batsman needs some help :D
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 06:31:30 PM »

You have a mixed side arm action, your front foot at the time of landing is almost facing fine leg which is making your whole body pivot around it towards the off stump, which creates stress on the lower back and might cause injury.

I found this article quite interesting :

http://www.coachesinfo.com/index.php?Itemid=159&catid=84:cricket-bowling&id=281:fastmedium&option=com_content&view=article


With all due respect mate, the whole mixed action thing has been discredited by the Fast Bowling gurus at Loughborough. Will look at the video later!
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Re: Have at it...
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 07:17:52 PM »

With all due respect mate, the whole mixed action thing has been discredited by the Fast Bowling gurus at Loughborough. Will look at the video later!
And in that posted article....
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