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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2013, 07:11:41 AM »

When you purchase a bulk cleft order from JS Wrights only 4% will be true grade one willow, the grade one clefts are getting harder and harder to come by and that 4% will drop further over the coming years.

I do sort of agree with there being no performance willow,one thing on this though is that I have seen first hand Andrew Kember go through 25+ clefts knocking them with a mallet etc to find the one that is suitable for a players grade for example.  Now there may be an argument that this will play no better in the long run as a performance grade bat, but there is a noticeable difference between clefts of the mallet at the start. So if something goes like a train from ball 1 does that bat then become a performance bat?
and thats why the price of grade ones is higher
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2013, 07:26:28 AM »

interestingly, or not, during my 20 years of using a Warsop I never bought a bat on it's look.
We always picked one with the right balance and ping.

It's only since I came here did my inner grain fetish appear.

I'm not saying I'm right, but I've had 20 years of decent cricket and have never counted a grain. I could have had 4 grains from all I know.

I do sway toward performance over looks and feel you can grade a bat on 'potential' performance.

Having said that, I'm not a bat maker, just the organic thing who enjoys a mad swing (pun intended).
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2013, 07:39:52 AM »

People are slowly turning this into something it not facts

1 real grade 1 bats do not perform any better than any other grade in theory
2 grade 1 is a subjective grade as nobody really grades the same
3 but for the grade 1 people charge the most but based on ??
4 performance grading why are not all models performance
5 if not to above then every bat below the performance is it a duffer.


As I have said it marketing a bit like the spike in laminated lets be honest good or not it a good way of getting rid of grade 2-3 bats and selling them at a premium just the same as performance grading
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2013, 07:58:11 AM »

For me Bats are like woman. You grade them by looks initially before you even know what their performance will be like. You may get lucky, have a loopker who may be responsive in all areas, cooking, cleaning, hoovering and they all usually all have a good middle although some turn out to be disappointing. some just look good but they are a plank when it comes to getting any use out of them.

Based on the above bats should be graded on performance but you cant tell yhis by tapping a mallet a few timrs, therefore its sensible fir it to be done on how they look.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #34 on: April 13, 2013, 08:02:15 AM »

For me Bats are like woman. You grade them by looks initially before you even know what their performance will be like. You may get lucky, have a loopker who may be responsive in all areas, cooking, cleaning, hoovering and they all usually all have a good middle although some turn out to be disappointing. some just look good but they are a plank when it comes to getting any use out of them.

Based on the above bats should be graded on performance but you cant tell yhis by tapping a mallet a few timrs, therefore its sensible fir it to be done on how they look.

Hahaha yeah I've had a few like this. Not talking about bats either
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #35 on: April 13, 2013, 09:36:57 AM »

For me Bats are like woman. You grade them by looks initially before you even know what their performance will be like. You may get lucky, have a loopker who may be responsive in all areas, cooking, cleaning, hoovering and they all usually all have a good middle although some turn out to be disappointing. some just look good but they are a plank when it comes to getting any use out of them.


That's the best summing up I've ever seen of bats.. :) Love it!
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2013, 08:35:52 AM »

Over the last year or so there has been a growing trend for bat makers to declare that they have graded certain clefts as performance clefts. Now I have seen some bats made from these which truly are spectacular performers, infact I know of a bat maker openly rejecting perfect 10 grain clefts as they are not performing how he wants them to perform.

On the other hand I have seen some shockers. In my opinion one company is putting out a lot of under 5 grain pieces of firewood under the idea of a "performance cleft" and relying on the reputation of the bat maker for people to assume that if they say the bat will be a top performer then that will be what it will be!

The other day I saw a bat which a very well known bat maker, had listed as a performance cleft. 5 grains widely spread, but obviously had been quite low density as had a massive spine. However it was a hard hard piece of wood, with a horrible sound to it. This "performance" based bat was taken to two other bat makers who both declared that it was not up to standard and even after a lot of playing in, would only be a average bat. Now as much as there is nothing wrong with average, when you are paying close to £300 you deserve a little better than that. - On top of that this well known bat maker has refused a refund telling the customer to keep using it!
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2013, 09:13:11 AM »

Over the last year or so there has been a growing trend for bat makers to declare that they have graded certain clefts as performance clefts. Now I have seen some bats made from these which truly are spectacular performers, infact I know of a bat maker openly rejecting perfect 10 grain clefts as they are not performing how he wants them to perform.

On the other hand I have seen some shockers. In my opinion one company is putting out a lot of under 5 grain pieces of firewood under the idea of a "performance cleft" and relying on the reputation of the bat maker for people to assume that if they say the bat will be a top performer then that will be what it will be!

The other day I saw a bat which a very well known bat maker, had listed as a performance cleft. 5 grains widely spread, but obviously had been quite low density as had a massive spine. However it was a hard hard piece of wood, with a horrible sound to it. This "performance" based bat was taken to two other bat makers who both declared that it was not up to standard and even after a lot of playing in, would only be a average bat. Now as much as there is nothing wrong with average, when you are paying close to £300 you deserve a little better than that. - On top of that this well known bat maker has refused a refund telling the customer to keep using it!

Well name and shame.. Hearsay and conjecture is no good
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #38 on: May 10, 2013, 09:14:53 AM »

My rule of thumb is that if it doesn't look like a G1 cleft then it isn't so pay accordingly! Anyone can buy a duff bat. I've had a few. If makers can't pick out the duff bats when they're making them how can they pick out the great ones and grade them on 'performance'? Don't believe the hype!  :D
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2013, 09:15:43 AM »

Over the last year or so there has been a growing trend for bat makers to declare that they have graded certain clefts as performance clefts. Now I have seen some bats made from these which truly are spectacular performers, infact I know of a bat maker openly rejecting perfect 10 grain clefts as they are not performing how he wants them to perform.

On the other hand I have seen some shockers. In my opinion one company is putting out a lot of under 5 grain pieces of firewood under the idea of a "performance cleft" and relying on the reputation of the bat maker for people to assume that if they say the bat will be a top performer then that will be what it will be!

The other day I saw a bat which a very well known bat maker, had listed as a performance cleft. 5 grains widely spread, but obviously had been quite low density as had a massive spine. However it was a hard hard piece of wood, with a horrible sound to it. This "performance" based bat was taken to two other bat makers who both declared that it was not up to standard and even after a lot of playing in, would only be a average bat. Now as much as there is nothing wrong with average, when you are paying close to £300 you deserve a little better than that. - On top of that this well known bat maker has refused a refund telling the customer to keep using it!

M&H?
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2013, 09:24:43 AM »

Is it any different though than performance laminates or any laminates

Or as I say a cheap way of getting rid of lower grade wood at a premium.

Think about it why do laminates have nice faces why not horrible lookers we all know you can't judge a bat by the grains so why are all laminates from a certain source nice.

I tell you it a cheap way of selling lower grade bats at a premium nothing more
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2013, 09:28:51 AM »

Is it any different though than performance laminates or any laminates

Or as I say a cheap way of getting rid of lower grade wood at a premium.

Think about it why do laminates have nice faces why not horrible lookers we all know you can't judge a bat by the grains so why are all laminates from a certain source nice.

I tell you it a cheap way of selling lower grade bats at a premium nothing more

I agree mate, however the extra work that making a lam entails probably bumps up the price significantly so maybe they use a great looking face to help justify the extra cost? Just a thought?
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2013, 09:35:54 AM »

If I am not mistaken laminates are sold at a premium price due to their performance and not the looks ?
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2013, 09:36:38 AM »

to be fair, it (lam) might also be a way of reducing wasteage levels in respect of clefts.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #44 on: May 10, 2013, 09:43:17 AM »

Rubbish ask any batmaker about laminates there no increase in power or anything performance balony it a way of splitting a grade 1 into 4 then adding grade 3-4 clefts then selling for grade 1 and more often then not higher than grade 1 prices


If you look around the forum or ask there a real shortage of grade 1 clefts currently ask any maker supplier so it a sure fire way of making more money but if you want to go on think in your getting something super because it a laminate keep spending away.

Laminates in my eyes are worst than performance clefts because in truth if you realy really think about it the awnser is looking at you
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