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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #45 on: May 10, 2013, 09:44:08 AM »

to be fair, it (lam) might also be a way of reducing wasteage levels in respect of clefts.

What and charging a premium to do so stop thinking batmakers  or forum sponsors are you mates some might be it about doller
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #46 on: May 10, 2013, 09:48:39 AM »

Well, you'd also tend to think that there might be a bit more work put into a lam. Personally I can't see why anyone would buy one due to restrictions for use etc.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #47 on: May 10, 2013, 09:51:59 AM »

But there lies the problem there not that much more work but think about it

Grade 4 bat 90 pound
Laminate same cleft bit of glue 275 pound with a grade 1 face attached.

More more yes but justify price not a chance
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2013, 09:55:54 AM »

true if that is the price difference. I don't know 'cos I'm not in the market for a lam so don't track prices.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2013, 10:24:38 AM »

As tempting as it is to name and shame the bat maker on here, I don't think it would be for the best, but they do carry one of the best reputations, however if you think about the bats they have been turning out, and the fuss that is made when they do have a nice cleft you can work it out!
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #50 on: May 10, 2013, 10:26:46 AM »

Rubbish ask any batmaker about laminates there no increase in power or anything performance balony it a way of splitting a grade 1 into 4 then adding grade 3-4 clefts then selling for grade 1 and more often then not higher than grade 1 prices


If you look around the forum or ask there a real shortage of grade 1 clefts currently ask any maker supplier so it a sure fire way of making more money but if you want to go on think in your getting something super because it a laminate keep spending away.

Laminates in my eyes are worst than performance clefts because in truth if you realy really think about it the awnser is looking at you


i think i worte the exact same thing somewhere else.

If you are going to go to the trouble of creating an illegal bat by removign the face why not cork it or stick something in the middle of it to make it lighter or have more spring???

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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #51 on: May 10, 2013, 10:43:43 AM »

Over the last year or so there has been a growing trend for bat makers to declare that they have graded certain clefts as performance clefts. Now I have seen some bats made from these which truly are spectacular performers, infact I know of a bat maker openly rejecting perfect 10 grain clefts as they are not performing how he wants them to perform.

On the other hand I have seen some shockers. In my opinion one company is putting out a lot of under 5 grain pieces of firewood under the idea of a "performance cleft" and relying on the reputation of the bat maker for people to assume that if they say the bat will be a top performer then that will be what it will be!

The other day I saw a bat which a very well known bat maker, had listed as a performance cleft. 5 grains widely spread, but obviously had been quite low density as had a massive spine. However it was a hard hard piece of wood, with a horrible sound to it. This "performance" based bat was taken to two other bat makers who both declared that it was not up to standard and even after a lot of playing in, would only be a average bat. Now as much as there is nothing wrong with average, when you are paying close to £300 you deserve a little better than that. - On top of that this well known bat maker has refused a refund telling the customer to keep using it!

Hi Ciaran.  We are more than happy for you to mention our names in this instance and I am sure that you are referring to the Legacy bat purchased by a customer of ours from Kent.

If this is the case then I advise you to speak to the customer in question again as we have already started work on his replacement and he is more than happy with the arrangement.  I think it is important to ensure that facts are correct before posting on public forums.

If a customer is unhappy with the performance of one of our bats then we always recommend using them a good number of times before consigning it to the scrap heap.  This is due to many factors, the main one being that it can take a while to get used to a new bat (especially one with a new type of handle).

We admit that James does not get every bat absolutely perfect and this is why we operate one of the most comprehensive after sales services in the industry.  We always aim to look after every single customer who works with us and this will certainly be the case in this instance too.

Our Special Reserves are our most popular model in the UK market and the vast majority of feedback we receive is completely positive.  It's a shame that you have heard different but such is life.  We will continue to do everything we can for our customers going forward.

I hope that everyone has a great weekend and good luck out in the middle.  Andy
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #52 on: May 10, 2013, 10:49:55 AM »

Hi Ciaran.  We are more than happy for you to mention our names in this instance and I am sure that you are referring to the Legacy bat purchased by a customer of ours from Kent.

If this is the case then I advise you to speak to the customer in question again as we have already started work on his replacement and he is more than happy with the arrangement.  I think it is important to ensure that facts are correct before posting on public forums.

If a customer is unhappy with the performance of one of our bats then we always recommend using them a good number of times before consigning it to the scrap heap.  This is due to many factors, the main one being that it can take a while to get used to a new bat (especially one with a new type of handle).

We admit that James does not get every bat absolutely perfect and this is why we operate one of the most comprehensive after sales services in the industry.  We always aim to look after every single customer who works with us and this will certainly be the case in this instance too.

Our Special Reserves are our most popular model in the UK market and the vast majority of feedback we receive is completely positive.  It's a shame that you have heard different but such is life.  We will continue to do everything we can for our customers going forward.

I hope that everyone has a great weekend and good luck out in the middle.  Andy

Andy, I will PM you regarding this.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #53 on: May 10, 2013, 10:55:08 AM »

Totally back Andy up on this. L&W offers the best after sales service. Always patient, polite and quick with replies. Not sure how many others out there guarantee what they sell the way they do.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #54 on: May 10, 2013, 11:06:47 AM »

Such a shame they're on the other side of the planet! :D

I have to say that L&W weren't the first name to spring to mind in relation to this topic though.......

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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #55 on: May 10, 2013, 11:09:45 AM »

Such a shame they're on the other side of the planet! :D

I have to say that L&W weren't the first name to spring to mind in relation to this topic though.......

Even though I agree with sentiments expressed about performance clefts and lams, L&W service is second to none. You are bound to get a dud every now and then but this is where L&W shine and are miles ahead of competition.
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #56 on: May 10, 2013, 11:23:49 AM »

Laver and wood customer service is up there with the best the best on this forum by a country mile.

I have not always seen eye to eye with laver wood but do support they make great bats and have always looked after people if there not happy and done in a win win situation.

Andy is a very good salesman and the options given if your not happy is a credit to him and laver and wood even if I don't always agree with them.

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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #57 on: May 10, 2013, 11:30:22 AM »

After 3 awesome L&W's I will gladly buy another without any hesitation
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Re: There is no such thing as grading a bat on "performance"...
« Reply #58 on: May 11, 2013, 02:40:06 PM »

Agree with the positive comments about L&W. they are great!
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