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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1380 on: August 12, 2013, 07:08:04 PM »

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1381 on: August 12, 2013, 07:14:18 PM »

Those last two decisions don't feel right for me as a cricket fan.

To be honest I have no issues with Haddin's - live it looked stone dead and that is why DRS has a margin for error.  Watson's looked like a stinker - I wonder if, say, Hashim Amla would have been given out in identical circumstances?
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1382 on: August 12, 2013, 08:14:11 PM »

Some of the umpiring is beyond farcical in this mmatch.

Bresnan kicked a Jackson Bird ball which was hitting 46% of the stumps and wasn't given out.

Watson and Haddin are given out when under 5% of the ball is hitting leg stump.
Must have done a fair bit to be hitting 46% of the stumps!!
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1383 on: August 12, 2013, 09:49:45 PM »

At the start of this series, how many on here wanted rid of Bell and Broad? And fattus appears to have been prescient...
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1384 on: August 12, 2013, 10:05:03 PM »

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1385 on: August 12, 2013, 10:05:38 PM »

To be honest I have no issues with Haddin's - live it looked stone dead and that is why DRS has a margin for error.  Watson's looked like a stinker - I wonder if, say, Hashim Amla would have been given out in identical circumstances?
Hash wouldn't have missed the ball in the first place  :D
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1386 on: August 12, 2013, 10:08:35 PM »

Is that right? That is the 48th time he has been out LBW in tests? You would have thought he's have learnt by now.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1387 on: August 12, 2013, 10:43:28 PM »

What on earth happened?! I went to sleep after an all nighter and an exam, the score was like 133/1 when I last checked! :-[ Gotta give credit to Broad, I'm not a fan of him, but when he's firing, he can win games with his bowling. I feel really sorry for Ryan Harris though, bowled his heart out...
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1388 on: August 13, 2013, 06:05:16 AM »

Hash wouldn't have missed the ball in the first place  :D

Exactly.

Hash uses his bat.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1389 on: August 13, 2013, 06:28:25 AM »

To be honest I have no issues with Haddin's - live it looked stone dead and that is why DRS has a margin for error.  Watson's looked like a stinker - I wonder if, say, Hashim Amla would have been given out in identical circumstances?

Watson's decision was a fair one to be honest, live it looked plumb. Even I club cricket you are taught to not just plant a front foot and play around your pad, he does not learn and then wastes another review trying to save his own ass. The best thing for Australia may be that he can't play at the Oval through injury. Hardin on review was possibly a little unlucky but real time looked stone dead.

Personally I think if any part of the ball in hitting the stumps it should be out. Hawk eye is accurate enough in tennis when the ball is being served at 130mph + so is accurate enough at far lesser speeds I cricket in my opinion.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1390 on: August 13, 2013, 08:46:37 AM »

The difference in tennis is that hawk eye can track the original path of the ball - in cricket for an LBW it "makes up" the perceived path of the ball, hence why there is a margin for error allowed.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1391 on: August 13, 2013, 08:48:53 AM »

I thought Watson's LBW looked plumb when watching it full speed. He was so far across the you could even see his leg stump!
The guy is a walking LBW but I still think he's a decent all-rounder and number 6! His bowling is economical and he can hold an end up. Plus he is a decent bat and can be destructive when he's not getting LBW decisions against him!

That Test match was decent! It needed someone else to step up in the middle order! The openers did really well and showed signs of what they are capable of! Clarke looked in decent nick, but the ball that got him was an absolute Jaffa and would have got anyone out! I actually feel sorry for Clarke, as a ball like that is not one you get often, but he got an identical, just as unplayable one from Jimmy earlier in the series! But I guess you need to bowl a peach like that to get Clarke out when he's on form! Very impressed with Bell again.
Now will be interesting to see if Aussies can pull themselves up and fight for the final Test! I can't imagine they will take it lying down as they have always been fighters, so what's the prediction guys? 4-0 or 3-1?
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1392 on: August 13, 2013, 09:03:32 AM »

Hawk eye was developed for missile tracking and unlike some of the cheaper versions (eagle eye) it uses up to 6 cameras. The margin for error makes it pretty full proof. It's not the technology but the people using it. Umpire's call is just a method of justifying dodgy decisions (though Watson looked plumb to me) and human error.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1393 on: August 13, 2013, 09:07:34 AM »

Watson's decision was a fair one to be honest, live it looked plumb.

Just don't agree with that at all - yes he had planted that foot a long way across, but also forward and the ball was coming from wide of the crease and tailing in sharply which meant that at best the umpire was making a guess at the decision, which was evidenced by the tiny amount of contact that Hawkeye suggested ball and stumps would eventually have gone on to enjoy.  Hence my point - Aleem Dar was happy to make that guess on the basis that, hell, its Shane Watson - everyone knows he's a walking LBW etc etc - had the batsman been, say, Hashim Amla I think the umpire would have looked at all those factors and thought "hmmmm, I can't really say more than it might possibly flick the sticks...." and decided that that was skimpy evidence on which to make the call.

Now, I don't like Watson at all, and I laughed when it was upheld on review, but on balance the decision left a bit of a sour taste for me.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #1394 on: August 13, 2013, 09:37:48 AM »

The decisions seem to just get worse and worse. It's a sad day in test cricket when a potential great ashes series is marred by extremely poor umpiring calls. I don't think DRS can be blamed.... It's all on the umpiring.

It's like a series where umpires have been paid off to win or lose a game but the problem is its been extremely poor calls for both teams...

Maybe the BCCI paid them off  ;)

Has there ever been a worse series for umpiring?...
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