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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #405 on: July 13, 2013, 03:02:52 AM »

Nothing would have been mentioned in any country in 1919 - don't just make it out to be shocking because it happened with the British Monarchy.


Stop defending the indefensible.

The Russian royal family didn't shun Prince Alexei because he was a haemophiliac and in far worse shape than his cousin Prince John.

Moreover, the Russian Czars wished to seek asylum in England...and the German, errr, English royal family REFUSED them.

We are not talking strangers here, we are talking their own cousins...Czar Nicholas was a grandson of Queen Victoria FFS....but no, the British royals allowed them to be murdered. Jolly good show.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #406 on: July 13, 2013, 03:08:25 AM »

Haddin, being the worst keeper/batter in test cricket bar Kamran Akmal,

Singularly the stupidest thing you have ever written - and you have form.

Haddin has TWO Ashes hundreds...and not dead rubber hundreds either.

Both were made in the first test of the series when the pressure was white hot.

His keeping has deteriorated, but to suggest that he is the "worst" whatever is pure stupidity of the highest order.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #407 on: July 13, 2013, 04:05:15 AM »

Once upon a time (feels like ages) Haddin was a decent bat.

Now he has more brain farts than the whole Pak team combined. (Apologies in advance to Pak batting fans)

Keeping is not worth the hassle either.

His demeanour doesn't help either.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #408 on: July 13, 2013, 04:11:39 AM »

I reckon Haddin will surprise a few this Ashes. He got out to Swann instinctively playing for Aussie bounce and got bowled when it sneaked under his angled bat - easy mistake to made. I reckon his batting has matured a lot. Hope I'm right...
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #409 on: July 13, 2013, 04:25:08 AM »

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All in all, an innings Bell really required, about time he scored runs when Eng really needed him.

Scored a hundred against India to ensure the final game was drawn with Trott to ensure the series was won and played a massive hand in the rearguard to ensure the final test against New Zealand was drawn along with the series.  Both these examples come from this Winter but as always with Bell these are quickly forgotten and people harp on about him never doing anything when it matters. 
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Vic Nicholas

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #410 on: July 13, 2013, 05:13:45 AM »

Scored a hundred against India to ensure the final game was drawn with Trott to ensure the series was won and played a massive hand in the rearguard to ensure the final test against New Zealand was drawn along with the series.  Both these examples come from this Winter but as always with Bell these are quickly forgotten and people harp on about him never doing anything when it matters.

Have to agree.

Bell is a whipping boy, but, he has played a number innings of substance at critical times, but they are either unseen by the masses (gritty hundreds in Pakistan, India etc) or he has been overshadowed by a media darling.

This inning he is playing has basically won England this test.

For that alone, you have to take your hat off to him.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #411 on: July 13, 2013, 05:43:23 AM »

Stop defending the indefensible.

The Russian royal family didn't shun Prince Alexei because he was a haemophiliac and in far worse shape than his cousin Prince John.

Moreover, the Russian Czars wished to seek asylum in England...and the German, errr, English royal family REFUSED them.

We are not talking strangers here, we are talking their own cousins...Czar Nicholas was a grandson of Queen Victoria FFS....but no, the British royals allowed them to be murdered. Jolly good show.

Quite what the relative merits of the effectively pan-European Royal class has got to do with the Ashes I'm not sure, but George V denied his cousin Nicolas asylum against the wishes of Lloyd George (who it could be argued was still in thrall to the concept of Victoria as the Grandmother of Europe and that the family should look after each other). His reasoning was that the British people viewed Nicolas as a tyrant at worst and a throwback to earlier times as an unconstitutional monarch and that Alexandra was pro-German (well she was German).

By allowing him in he was worried that this would cause ferment amongst the British working class (who had felt the effects of the three year war more than anyone elase) and that they'd all be up against the wall.

At this time the primary concern of many of the European ruling classes was revolution (and the war of course) so that's why he justified what he did. Perhaps Nicolas should have gone to his other cousin, Wilhelm. He seemed like a lovely chap as well.

Not that I think the behaviour of a load of inbred rulers a hundred years ago has much bearing on whether Haddin is a decent keeper or if Ian Bell is a bottle merchant!
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #412 on: July 13, 2013, 06:06:18 AM »

Once upon a time (feels like ages) Haddin was a decent bat.

Now he has more brain farts than the whole Pak team combined. (Apologies in advance to Pak batting fans)

Keeping is not worth the hassle either.

His demeanour doesn't help either.

What has happened to him? He used to be a poor man's ghilchrist, now he just looks well below what he used to be. Sad to see, but I hope his 'form' continues for this series!
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #413 on: July 13, 2013, 07:24:20 AM »

Quite what the relative merits of the effectively pan-European Royal class has got to do with the Ashes I'm not sure, but George V denied his cousin Nicolas asylum against the wishes of Lloyd George (who it could be argued was still in thrall to the concept of Victoria as the Grandmother of Europe and that the family should look after each other). His reasoning was that the British people viewed Nicolas as a tyrant at worst and a throwback to earlier times as an unconstitutional monarch and that Alexandra was pro-German (well she was German).

By allowing him in he was worried that this would cause ferment amongst the British working class (who had felt the effects of the three year war more than anyone elase) and that they'd all be up against the wall.

At this time the primary concern of many of the European ruling classes was revolution (and the war of course) so that's why he justified what he did. Perhaps Nicolas should have gone to his other cousin, Wilhelm. He seemed like a lovely chap as well.

Not that I think the behaviour of a load of inbred rulers a hundred years ago has much bearing on whether Haddin is a decent keeper or if Ian Bell is a bottle merchant!

Excellent response.

Agree on some points.

Asking cousin Wilhelm was not on for two main reasons:

a/ Germany was an opponent - and the Russian royal family fleeing to Germany would have been a massive propaganda coup for the Bolsheviks who would have held them up as exhibit A for treachery to Russia (even the Bolsheviks themselves had been supported by the Germans in order to destabilzie Russia).
b/ Kaiser Willy had to go into exile not long later anyway.

The German usurpers that is your royal family were extremely concerned, as you mentioned, that the working classes who had been decimated by the war would also ferment rebellion against the monarchy in the UK. The Fabians and the Scottish shipyard workers amongst others were quite influential in the UK at this time. So the royals, not for the first, nor last time, pragmatically protected their own selfish interests.

Czar Nicholas and family were slaughtered, the German Saxe-Coburgs underwent a witness protection type of identity change to the fictitious "Windsor" in order to (publically at least) distance themselves from their Germanic roots and sympathies and all the while, the true English monarch headed to live in Australia in the 1950's.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #414 on: July 13, 2013, 07:38:26 AM »

Quite what the relative merits of the effectively pan-European Royal class has got to do with the Ashes I'm not sure,

It started with a flippant remark by one of the posters that ENgland shipped off her intellectually retarded citizens to Australia.

I brought up the counter point that from the Royal family down, the mentally challenged or even suspected mentally challenged in the UK were shunned and locked up and encouraged to die based on the Darwinian principle of natural selection. Kind of an early nod to Nazism...much like many other things in the British Empire that the Nazis would draw inspiration from.

Whereas the people you did transport were more likely to be your sheep stealers, children who stole a loaf of bread and bothersome Irish who were transported to New South Wales - for a time. Afterwards, wave after wave of Irish Fenians, Scottish Highlanders, Cornish miners, the landless villagers from Warwickshire, the unemployed Mill workers from Lancashire and the dirt poor Cockney's all flooded into Australia....and it is largely the descendants of these people that you come up against today. :)
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #415 on: July 13, 2013, 07:39:32 AM »

Come on Vic lets get back to cricket than this tit for tat crap we don't mention myall creek and so on.

Haddin is a average keeper/batsman but the again look around the world there not too many great ones around well bar Prior but he has worked hard for what he has become
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #416 on: July 13, 2013, 08:46:52 AM »

Come on Vic lets get back to cricket than this tit for tat crap we don't mention myall creek and so on.

We hanged the perpetrators of the Myall Creek massacre.

What did you do to those involved in the Amritsar massacre and the organizers of the concentration camps on the High Veldt?

You gave Dyer a medal for the slaughter of circa 1,000 peaceful Indians at Amritsar and Kitchener a medal for the murder of 28,000 innocent Boer women and children in the camps in SA. Both men were the darling of the English press and hailed as national heroes and role models.

Do not even get me started on the criminal behaviour in the aftermath of the Indian Uprising of 1857 or the degenerate behaviour of the Black and Tans in Ireland.

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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #417 on: July 13, 2013, 08:49:20 AM »

Haddin was an excellent batsman and a competant keeper...once.

Not anymore.

My preference is Tim Paine, but failing that, I would gamble on Matty Wade.

Haddin is yesterdays man.
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #418 on: July 13, 2013, 08:58:50 AM »

We hanged the perpetrators of the Myall Creek massacre.

What did you do to those involved in the Amritsar massacre and the organizers of the concentration camps on the High Veldt?

You gave Dyer a medal for the slaughter of circa 1,000 peaceful Indians at Amritsar and Kitchener a medal for the murder of 28,000 innocent Boer women and children in the camps in SA. Both men were the darling of the English press and hailed as national heroes and role models.

Do not even get me started on the criminal behaviour in the aftermath of the Indian Uprising of 1857 or the degenerate behaviour of the Black and Tans in Ireland.
Ouch! Shall we get back to talking about cricket?
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Re: The Ashes 2013
« Reply #419 on: July 13, 2013, 09:11:47 AM »

What utter crap.

Show me anecdotal evidence where this was the case.


Gilchrist not walking:-

Rare Occasions when Gilly & Sachin did not chose to walk.


Clarke not walking and not even doing a good job it

Pietersen bowls Clarke, Adelaide Oval 2010
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