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[tim2000s]

Vic,  I don't think you understand how testing of this type works. Or how publicity of products works.

Both manufacturers have access to testing facilities that allows them to confirm they will pass the standard when the BSI Labs are able to test them. The BSI approval is a rubber stamp exercise on what has already been checked by the makers. 

You'll note that neither brand has advertised meeting the standard yet or being standard compliant,  just that they have a high level of confidence that this will be met. 

The confidence doesn't come from a quick prayer....

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[Vic Nicholas]

Vic,  I don't think you understand how testing of this type works. Or how publicity of products works.

Both manufacturers have access to testing facilities that allows them to confirm they will pass the standard when the BSI Labs are able to test them. The BSI approval is a rubber stamp exercise on what has already been checked by the makers. 

You'll note that neither brand has advertised meeting the standard yet or being standard compliant,  just that they have a high level of confidence that this will be met. 

The confidence doesn't come from a quick prayer....

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I get the part that they have "confidence" in their product...but given that the new testing facility - as of a month ago - wasn't even built yet, and as a result nobody could be reasonably certain what outcome the new testing procedure would have on their product (misplaced confidence or otherwise). So, to be ploughing ahead with full scale production and for retailers to be risking flushing money down the drain by stocking potentially non-compliant helmets smacks of either hubris on both parties part, or some inside info that nobody is privy to.

Either way, it seems rather odd and jumping the gun big time.

[tim2000s]

I get the part that they have "confidence" in their product...but given that the new testing facility - as of a month ago - wasn't even built yet, and as a result nobody could be reasonably certain what outcome the new testing procedure would have on their product (misplaced confidence or otherwise). So, to be ploughing ahead with full scale production and for retailers to be risking flushing money down the drain by stocking potentially non-compliant helmets smacks of either hubris on both parties part, or some inside info that nobody is privy to.

Either way, it seems rather odd and jumping the gun big time.

Given that the standard and test required are known and that there are existing non-BSI labs that allow a high degree of confidence in whether you will pass the required test, I don't see where the issue is.

It's like ncap testing for cars.

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[Jimmyg]

I get the part that they have "confidence" in their product...but given that the new testing facility - as of a month ago - wasn't even built yet, and as a result nobody could be reasonably certain what outcome the new testing procedure would have on their product (misplaced confidence or otherwise). So, to be ploughing ahead with full scale production and for retailers to be risking flushing money down the drain by stocking potentially non-compliant helmets smacks of either hubris on both parties part, or some inside info that nobody is privy to.

Either way, it seems rather odd and jumping the gun big time.

It's not misplaced confidence, the new BS has a prescribed testing method for helmets. The new BS tests have been replicated in a lab for certain manufacturers to ensure their helmets will pass the new tests. You should be able to replicate the tests exactly in any suitable lab so as to have a high assurance that your product will pass, so for you to say that nobody could be reasonably certain of passing is plainly false. In fact I can't understand how anybody can come to the conclusion you have in your post.

[Vic Nicholas]

It's not misplaced confidence, the new BS has a prescribed testing method for helmets. The new BS tests have been replicated in a lab for certain manufacturers to ensure their helmets will pass the new tests. You should be able to replicate the tests exactly in any suitable lab so as to have a high assurance that your product will pass, so for you to say that nobody could be reasonably certain of passing is plainly false. In fact I can't understand how anybody can come to the conclusion you have in your post.

I hate to go over old ground...but it has been mentioned by a number of posters on this site that Shrey will never be supplied/stocked in the UK because "they will not pass the new test".

Given that Shrey has passed all the testing so far, they would appear to be in EXACTLY the same position as the other brands that have "confidence" in their product.

Shrey hasn't failed any tests in the UK yet.

Much like the other brands that are pressing ahead with production.

So please, can you tell me how some helmets "comply" and others - apparently - don't? Given that they have all passed the exact same industry tests? Given that NONE of them have as yet submitted themselves to the new test?

I await your measured response with bated breath.

[mdg20]

But the new helmets have done the new tests, they havnt been conducted by the BSI but they have been done. I imagine Shrey havnt conducted any tests that resemble the new ones. The way I see it is if the old masuri/shrey helmet was going to pass the new tests then there's no way masuri would have made such drastic changes to their helmets given how popular they are and have been for years.

[Vic Nicholas]

But the new helmets have done the new tests, they havnt been conducted by the BSI but they have been done. I imagine Shrey havnt conducted any tests that resemble the new ones. The way I see it is if the old masuri/shrey helmet was going to pass the new tests then there's no way masuri would have made such drastic changes to their helmets given how popular they are and have been for years.

You have imagined incorrectly.

Shrey have passed the tests at Loughborough.

They, much like the rest of the industry hopefuls, are merely awaiting the final tick of approval from the as yet to be seen BSI test.

[Ayrtek Cricket]

the test has been "seen" as it was published on 31st Dec 2013 and is available to download to read at a cost.

[Jimmyg]

Vic, it's hard to be honest understanding your posts, as each post appears to contradict previous ones. I not in the least interested in some kind of helmet brand slanging match. However are you saying that Shrey have been tested as per  the new 2013 British Standard tests ? as you go on to say that the tests haven't been seen yet.

[VKS]

You have imagined incorrectly.

Shrey have passed the tests at Loughborough.

They, much like the rest of the industry hopefuls, are merely awaiting the final tick of approval from the as yet to be seen BSI test.

If they have passed the tests, then it can only be a good thing, as variety and choice benefit everyone.

If you could show a copy of the pass result, I think that would shut us all up.

[mdg20]

You have imagined incorrectly.

Shrey have passed the tests at Loughborough.

They, much like the rest of the industry hopefuls, are merely awaiting the final tick of approval from the as yet to be seen BSI test.

I just dont get why if the current Shrey design will pass why Masuri would quite drastically change theirs, considering little has altered in shape and style in 25 years, why now?

[AdClem]

Who owns the intellectual property?  If these Shrey helmets are de-badged Masuri, couldn't/shouldn't Masuri prevent their continued manufacture?  Or are Masuri too small to justify the legal costs?  Or are they hoping that they'll just be rendered un-saleable in jurisdictions that adopt the tighter standards?

[Vic Nicholas]

the test has been "seen" as it was published on 31st Dec 2013 and is available to download to read at a cost.

So, you passed the BSI test that hasn't been held yet?

[Vic Nicholas]

Vic, it's hard to be honest understanding your posts, as each post appears to contradict previous ones. I not in the least interested in some kind of helmet brand slanging match. However are you saying that Shrey have been tested as per  the new 2013 British Standard tests ? as you go on to say that the tests haven't been seen yet.

The new BSI test has not been held.

Shrey has only in February submitted to tests at Loughborough which were passed.

The final test, the new BSI test has yet to be held (as I understand).

[Jimmyg]

So, you passed the BSI test that hasn't been held yet?

Why is it so hard to comprehend that some helmet manufacturers have tested their helmets IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW BS TESTING METHOD but obviously not the same tests at the actual BSi test lab. So none of the manufacturers have said they have helmets that have passed the BSi test, but have tested as per the new tests and are confident with their results.