Topic: GM 2014 Official Launch (Read 87150 times)

Tom · « **Reply #165 on:** September 06, 2013, 11:41:38 AM »

It would have been interesting to hear how GM got there with their new range, the thought behind the range, some of which may nullify some of the arguments and help people understand the range as well as being interesting for forum members.

Jimmyg · « **Reply #166 on:** September 06, 2013, 11:50:25 AM »

Quote from: Blazer on September 06, 2013, 11:06:36 AM

Maybe we aren't really an accurate representative of the general public.

I take that as a compliment to be honest.

One thing I would add to the new GM bat line up and the choice of 3 different faces on some models, is that in my experience this season the majority of GM bat owners I spoke to about their bats where totally unaware of what the F2 etc referred to, these weren't bat geeks but those normal club players. So to add another face option in to the mix for next season is an interesting move on GM's part.
Having said that for knowledgeable bat users like ourselves, surely having more choice in a major bat company's range is good. Would I want a bat with a F2 face -not really, one with F4.5, yes I'd look at that model.

tim2000s · « **Reply #167 on:** September 06, 2013, 11:50:42 AM »

Quote from: ItsJustCricket on September 06, 2013, 11:32:47 AM

For me, GM bats have always been pressed too hard. Even the LE bats that we've stocked have been harder pressed than most Newbery 5 Stars, despite costing over �200 more. I prefer softer pressed bats, and so do most of our customers, so naturally, I don't warm to the brand, especially given the alternatives on the market.

Paul, that's an interesting observation that I'd suggest is extremely hard to prove without actually seeing and measuring the pressure being applied to different bats. While you may not like the way that GM press their bats, I'd suggest that saying they press them too hard is a risky business.

Equally, given the gist of your comments in this topic, I'm assuming you no longer stock and will not ever stock GM again?

Butterfingerz · « **Reply #168 on:** September 06, 2013, 11:55:30 AM »

From my point of view GM led the way in technology and progress in developing DXM and the D30 protection system. Whilst ground breaking achievements are not going to happen every year you would expect the market leader (as they were in my opinion) to move forward in capturing more market share in other ways. This could be in creating a bold and brave look or creating a more radical look to their softs.

Now whilst I cant comment on exactly what everything will look like (GM had an official and public release yet didn't release anything official or to the public!) let me just say from those images published, the Softs do look very very similar, the luggage looks the same just a change of colour and the livery on the bats looks a little bland.

The analogy to Porsche is irrelevant in some ways but very pertinent in others. The 911 is a very iconic image which over the years has been changed minimally now whilst GM have made very little change to their current range they have added the 'iconic'(?) Purist however this doesn't look in anyway similar to the original.

Looking at other brands such as Slazenger and GN their 2014 range introduces some very bold statements some may like (correct typo before being ridiculed!) it some may not but at least they have done it whilst GM have played safe for 2014....AGAIN

Regarding the comments from Ed well don't get me started and for 'he's been kind enough to spend some time on here' stop blowing smoke up his bum. All he's done is disagree but without anything to back it up and insult potential customers.

ajmw89 · « **Reply #169 on:** September 06, 2013, 12:01:07 PM »

ItsJustCricket · « **Reply #170 on:** September 06, 2013, 12:12:29 PM »

Quote from: tim2000s on September 06, 2013, 11:50:42 AM

Paul, that's an interesting observation that I'd suggest is extremely hard to prove without actually seeing and measuring the pressure being applied to different bats. While you may not like the way that GM press their bats, I'd suggest that saying they press them too hard is a risky business.

Equally, given the gist of your comments in this topic, I'm assuming you no longer stock and will not ever stock GM again?

Accurate measurements or not, we knock in on average two bats per day by hand, so we get quite familiar with the pressing of various different models (especially as we don't just knock in bats sold in store). There's a fair amount of experience to back this up, despite the lack of scientific proof. I will let this matter rest for now though, as it's not really relevant to the thread.

As for us stocking GM, even if the new range blew my socks off and got me foaming at the mouth, I simply refuse to deal with a company who reacts the way they have to the comments in this thread. The words of Mr Lowry in my eyes prove that they aren't really listening to the customer, rather, they are just disagreeing with anything critical, and I cannot support a brand that behaves in this way.

smokem · « **Reply #171 on:** September 06, 2013, 12:18:18 PM »

Quote from: Edward Lowy on September 05, 2013, 03:14:30 PM

What video do you think is terrible? (note the spelling Mr Fingerz!)...

This type of condescending comment is not really nice coming from an MD looking to promote his brand. Sums up the general air of arrogance some have identified. But I'm sure GM does well enough without having to woo CB forumites...

Quote from: Edward Lowy on September 05, 2013, 02:59:01 PM

Thanks, we aim to please, but clearly have a tough audience of officionados on this forum...

And that should be "aficionados".

CUSTOM-BATS · « **Reply #172 on:** September 06, 2013, 12:51:23 PM »

I must say that some of the comments made towards GM, the equipment, the company, their marketing ability are bordering on personal insults, if they haven't crossed the line already.

I requested permission from GM to take a few pictures to give a flavour of the changes in the range, and particularly to allow the members of this forum to have a preview before the rest of the world. As far as I know, the GM sales reps were only allowed to see the range the day before we did.

There are ways of getting heard, and sweeping criticisms and personal snipes are unlikely to get heard in my opinion. GM are not looking to promote their brand at all on here, they are not wooing the CBF members.

If you're interested in seeing some changes for GM 2015, a series of constructive comments, with examples, would help to get your words heard.

Kulli · « **Reply #173 on:** September 06, 2013, 01:02:26 PM »

I haven't seen any posts that are bordering on personal insults. The whole thing seemed to start with Paul saying he wasn't really a fan of the direction that they seemed to be taking within two posts Edwards had pulled out a sarcastic

Quote from: Edward Lowy on September 05, 2013, 01:54:04 PM

Ah right. Will bin the research. And the 128 years of know how. And the continuous development with our players.

That's hardly the response of someone wanting to hear constructive criticism. It's great that they let you take pictures so early in their launch process, but allowing that shouldn't leave them immune to people posting their opinion, whether positive or negative.

thecord · « **Reply #174 on:** September 06, 2013, 01:03:36 PM »

Personally I don't agree with that CUSTOM-BATS

Most people have just expressed an opinion based on what they have seen and the reactions to those honest opinions have been the surprising factor to me.

Only my opinion though and as someone who hasn't bought anything GM for as long as I can remember not one I imagine anyone will take note of

Number4 · « **Reply #175 on:** September 06, 2013, 01:05:15 PM »

To be honest I don't blame Ed for his comments... I'm sure every person on here who owns a brand or is passionate about something would react the same way if they were told they had "Lost the plot" and were "boring" and their research was a waste of time even though their sponsored pros have tested and given feedback which I would say GM have listened to... And we all know how everyone wants a bat "just like the pros".

I know when GN brought their retro range out there were criticism in regards to stickers in the scoop not being the same... Not everyone was sold on the idea at the time.

In my opinion The Uk version of the Kook Bubble is the only retro done properly so far but hats off to all brands having a crack at it... Some get it right and some don't

Edward Lowy · « **Reply #176 on:** September 07, 2013, 07:19:23 AM »

Quote from: smokem on September 06, 2013, 12:18:18 PM

This type of condescending comment is not really nice coming from an MD looking to promote his brand. Sums up the general air of arrogance some have identified. But I'm sure GM does well enough without having to woo CB forumites...
And that should be "aficionados".

Hoist by my own petard!

sfa82 · « **Reply #177 on:** September 07, 2013, 08:29:19 AM »

This has been a truly interesting thread. A wonderful aspect of the forum is the opportunity to discuss equipment and this is often just based on pictures which we see. Opinions also change once people actually see and use the gear. This was the case with the GN retro range, with people initially being unhappy with the stickers not fitting properly, but when people got their bats stickers were the last of the concerns, especially on the Ltd Ed Dynadrives.

My opinion on the tone of the thread is that people can only comment on what is before them. If comments on the equipment was only going to be taken seriously by those who have seen the equipment, then only Custom Bats and Mr Lowy would have been the only ones to comment.

No one can doubt the technology involved in making GM cricket equipment and the history behind the brand.

Yours sincerely

Sedwyn

sgcricket · « **Reply #178 on:** September 07, 2013, 08:33:54 AM »

having read the thread, why are all the moderators defending ed? why do they feel the need to?

sfa82 · « **Reply #179 on:** September 07, 2013, 08:50:07 AM »

Quote from: sgcricket on September 07, 2013, 08:33:54 AM

having read the thread, why are all the moderators defending ed? why do they feel the need to?

I don't think they are defending him, they just appreciate that he has taken time to contribute to the forum.

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