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[The_Bird]

Yeh didn't really take that into account when posting in the first place
Do these conditions have anything to do with Indian batsmen and their inflated averages
Take nothing away from players like Kohli, but its certainly easier batting in these conditions

How do you think Sehwag averaged over 50 in tests...scored rapid triple hundreds etc.

Flat track bullies. Kohli is a class apart though.

[jamielsn15]

this is not what cricket is about. If I wanted to watch that I would go to a baseball park...
Actually pitches in baseball at least have a chance.

Couldn't agree more.  Had to laugh at Tom Moody and an Indian commentator saying that "they would prefer to bat in Jaipur than on this one!"  Have to agree, 350+ for each side shows batting has been an absolute nightmare...

I have to be honest, I do not like the way the game is going in India - very similar to the all-consuming Football Premier League here.  In both, the standard of the respective games is not the world leader.  I certainly don't rush to the TV when I hear there's an IPL or ODI match on.

I think Kohli's great, but I'll start taking him (and Dhawan, Yuvraj, et al) seriously when they start seriously competing and prforming consistently at Test level.  I hope they do and then the game will be in a better place.

[amritpremi]

I agree it was very batsmen friendly conditions, but the standard of bowling hasn't been great either. If bowlers bowl very well in conditions favouring them they should atleast bowl decent enough when conditions don't suit them. With new rules its definitely getting tougher for bowlers, spin bowling in ODIs might be finished soon. We should have players (both batsmen & bowlers) who are not conditions dependent, we should have players who can fight the conditions/odds.

[Gerry SA]

How do you think Sehwag averaged over 50 in tests...scored rapid triple hundreds etc.

Flat track bullies. Kohli is a class apart though.

Rather a moronic statement.

There have only been 26 Test match triple hundreds in the history of cricket.

And only 4 men have scored multiple Test match triple hundreds.

If 'flat pitches' are easy for batting, why haven't Tendulkar, Kallis, Ponting(the latter two have played plenty of matches in India) ever scored a Test match 300?

Judging your comment on flat pitches, does that mean Lara's two world records aren't worthy either?

As St John's, Antigua is considered the flattest pitch in the history of cricket...

[The_Bird]

I was responding to this comment.

''Do these conditions have anything to do with Indian batsmen and their inflated averages''

I was stating that a large part of the Indian team of the past' had  over inflated averages  largely down to flat tracks, I thought that was pretty common knowledge. Lara, Tendulkar, Kallis scored runs everywhere. Sehwag didn't, why hasn't Sehwag averaged over 50 in England? Conditions are everything in cricket, Sehwag didn't have the technique to stand up in England, the others did.

A triple hundred is an astonishing achievement but do you rate Mat Hayden's 380 as an amazing feat? He did well to keep his concentration as he planted the woeful Zimbabwean attack on the roof.

I'd watch Atherton's 185 over a Sehwag triple hundred.


So you don't think Sehwag was a flat track bully...?


Go on...

[Alvaro]

Test hundreds in Nottingham are rarely made on flat tracks, neither at Bloemfontein ...
Sehwag was a thrilling player. Just lazy.

Perhaps one of his finest achievements was getting runners banned!

[Alvaro]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/64061.html

This knock at MCG was his first back after he had been dropped. 195 in 70 test overs.

[Gerry SA]

I was responding to this comment.

''Do these conditions have anything to do with Indian batsmen and their inflated averages''

I was stating that a large part of the Indian team of the past' had  over inflated averages  largely down to flat tracks, I thought that was pretty common knowledge. Lara, Tendulkar, Kallis scored runs everywhere. Sehwag didn't, why hasn't Sehwag averaged over 50 in England? Conditions are everything in cricket, Sehwag didn't have the technique to stand up in England, the others did.

A triple hundred is an astonishing achievement but do you rate Mat Hayden's 380 as an amazing feat? He did well to keep his concentration as he planted the woeful Zimbabwean attack on the roof.

I'd watch Atherton's 185 over a Sehwag triple hundred.


So you don't think Sehwag was a flat track bully...?


Go on...

The ability to hit good balls to the boundary doesn't mean you are a slogger/flat track bully.

As for technique, Sehwag's got a pretty good one. Plays straight. High elbow. Footwork is a little static, but is made up for by a quite fantastic eye/hand coordination.

As Alvaro mentioned, Sehwag's 100 on debut at Bloemfontein , India's top order am destroyed on a raging seamer. Sehwag scored a 100 at 60 runs per hundred balls. Slogging? Not a bit of it.

Flat track bullies don't score 300s against bowlers like Shoaib, Saqlain, Steyn, Morkel etc.

As for one of the most remarkable innings I've seen Sehwag play. 201* vs Sri Lanka when Murali and Mendis where running riot against India's famed middle order. Sehwag scored 201 out off 300.

Also his mesmerising 290 odd vs Sri Lanka at Mumbai on a turning pitch. I've never seen Murali get caned so badly. And this chap Murali, he's the greatest wicket taker in Test history. No lolly pop bowler. 

As Alvaro said, there's a difference between a FTB and Sehwag. The word is lazy.

A bit like Brazilian Ronaldo, Sehwag never realised his full potential.

I'd term someone like hype job Yuvraj as a FTB

[csnew]

I agree it was very batsmen friendly conditions, but the standard of bowling hasn't been great either. If bowlers bowl very well in conditions favouring them they should atleast bowl decent enough when conditions don't suit them. With new rules its definitely getting tougher for bowlers, spin bowling in ODIs might be finished soon. We should have players (both batsmen & bowlers) who are not conditions dependent, we should have players who can fight the conditions/odds.

Was that not the plan by the icc to prevent spin domination in the middle overs ( particularly part time spinners) to help certain teams who struggled in the middle overs rotating the strike.

[ProCricketer1982]

this is not what cricket is about. If I wanted to watch that I would go to a baseball park...
Actually pitches in baseball at least have a chance.

Couldn't agree more, that game is just not fun. Slogging it about gets very boring, very quickly. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Snooze fest, give me a competitive 200 plays 200 anyway over that tripe. God help cricket if India gets its way

[amritpremi]

Was that not the plan by the icc to prevent spin domination in the middle overs ( particularly part time spinners) to help certain teams who struggled in the middle overs rotating the strike.

I agree, it is certainly helping teams like Australia, SA & England who found it hard to tackle even part time spinners.

[swamidude]

Dhawan can't really be called a flat track bully-it was only in the Champions Trophy this summer in England where he was hitting Steyn, Malinga and Irfan round the park. As were Rohit Sharma and Kohli. And Kohli's 43 in the Final on a nasty pitch was the innings that saved India. I'd say the BCCI just has to arrange more away tours and more test series so that they can get the chance to prove themselves abroad and in the longer format.

[csnew]

Could be a chance of 400 today.
60m boundaries

[A-Swing-And-A-Miss]

Dhawan can't really be called a flat track bully-it was only in the Champions Trophy this summer in England where he was hitting Steyn, Malinga and Irfan round the park. As were Rohit Sharma and Kohli. And Kohli's 43 in the Final on a nasty pitch was the innings that saved India. I'd say the BCCI just has to arrange more away tours and more test series so that they can get the chance to prove themselves abroad and in the longer format.

Steyn didn't even play in the tournament..

[The_Bird]

Sharma going mental, on for a double hundred at this rate!