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[Krs]

Just wanted to know the opinions on this forum.

Do you think it comes to life after knocking in or after a few innings?

Do narrow grain bats take longer to open up or do bats with 5-7 grain bats?

This is all in regards to the infamous PING.

[ajmw89]

Some go from ball 1 without any or much knocking in by the user.  These tend not to last as long as they are likely to be less durable
Others take hours of knocking in and nets before being ready for match use.  These can take a while to "open up" but can ping like mad and last a long time.

Every bat is an individual piece of willow, an organic product, and therefore very different.

I have had bats that ping from ball 1, but have lasted just long enough that I couldn't replace them on warranty and I've had bats that have taken half a season or more's use to start performing at it's best.

[Kal]

Most people say that the more grains the bat has, the quicker it "opens up". However they don't last as long as the wider grain bats.

[Vulcan Cricket]

Most people say that the more grains the bat has, the quicker it "opens up". However they don't last as long as the wider grain bats.

yes that's ture

[Krs]

Most people say that the more grains the bat has, the quicker it "opens up". However they don't last as long as the wider grain bats.

Well I have a cheap bat from Pakistan with a high middle and 6 grains. 80% of the bat is a plank however the high sweetspot sound nice and has great feedback. Before knocking in it was poop now after the knocking in has opened up nice.

However I have a gorgeous looking DS (14 grains) and it has a low middle, however the feedback is not as powerful - (it has been knocked in)- so I am thinking it might take a few more  innings to open it up.

This is where this topic is coming from.

[amritpremi]

Bats with more than 9-10 grains start to perform early but still need good more than 4 hours and 3-4 net sessions along with 2-3 games to open up, downside is they may not be as durable as some others.

Bats with less than 8 grains usually take time to open up, maybe 5-6 hours knocking in, 5-6 nets and sometimes upto a full season to start performing their best. These are the ones which should not break easily and should have a longer life span. Offcourse these are just average time frames and each bat may differ from other.

[Banksy]

Truth is, there is no true formula, but there are trends.

You can still get 4 twisty grain bats that "ping" from ball 1. Wood is an organic product so there is no way you can just look at a bat a truly state it will perform better than another until you actually hit a ball with it.

ajmw89 hit the nail on the head.

[Chad]

I think it's all down to the drying, pressing and the cleft, it varies quite a lot between manufacturers, but no two bats are identical! I think grains are a good sign of how quickly a bat will come to life, but there are always exceptions. I've always thought that GM bats take ages to kick into life, but I'm using an Icon at the moment, and it actually seemed pretty responsive to start with, and is slowly getting better with use. I would be happy to use it in a match! In terms of bats right at their peak, I'll be honest and say that I don't believe I have used a bat long enough to answer that question! I think that the answer also has something to do with your batting style too - I have a friend who seems to always get lucky with his bats and says they are all absolute monsters from the start, but in reality, it's just because he times the ball so well.

[csnew]

In terms of reading on this forum and my own Laver, I think they take the longest to open but when they do they go. Most go pretty well even when new though

[Bats_Entertainment]

Are we using this "opening up" term incorrectly again, chaps?

[Krs]

Interesting stuff.

Maybe I was expecting a bit to much or maybe just got to give it some time.

The profile of the DS is not huge 35 mm edge with no concaving and minimal spine. Maybe there isn't enough wood present to have the bounce back I got from the other bat. The DS is on the left and the right is the Pakistani bat.

[Chad]

Interesting stuff.

Maybe I was expecting a bit to much or maybe just got to give it some time.

The profile of the DS is not huge 35 mm edge with no concaving and minimal spine. Maybe there isn't enough wood present to have the bounce back I got from the other bat. The DS is on the left and the right is the Pakistani bat.

In that case, the Newbery Tour is a very poor design and will have a poor middle. In terms of spine height to middle responsiveness, I would argue that the Tour is best, as a cricket ball makes contact with the bat over a circular area, rather than a pin point, so it's the mass of wood behind that area which counts! I would say give it a little time, I've sold on so many bats I didn't give time to play in properly, that I end up regretting the sales of. How is your Aldred? I think I had a slight weight problem with my Aldred, but it was only by 0.5-1 ounce, which is fine. Maybe the working conditions at Paul's are slightly drier than our locations, so it picks up weight on the way. I know my Laver and GN Ashes have both put on about 1.5 and 1 ounce respectively! (GN did so over a period of 2 weeks!)

[Krs]

In that case, the Newbery Tour is a very poor design and will have a poor middle. In terms of spine height to middle responsiveness, I would argue that the Tour is best, as a cricket ball makes contact with the bat over a circular area, rather than a pin point, so it's the mass of wood behind that area which counts! I would say give it a little time, I've sold on so many bats I didn't give time to play in properly, that I end up regretting the sales of. How is your Aldred? I think I had a slight weight problem with my Aldred, but it was only by 0.5-1 ounce, which is fine. Maybe the working conditions at Paul's are slightly drier than our locations, so it picks up weight on the way. I know my Laver and GN Ashes have both put on about 1.5 and 1 ounce respectively! (GN did so over a period of 2 weeks!)

Thanks mate!! It is such a lovely looking bat, I guess I will have to give it some time for its personality to shine through!

The Aldred, well it was supposed to be 2.11 but ended up being 2.13. I took it to the nets yesterday and my timing was a little off. However I noticed my technique seemed to improve, the bat was coming down right, the follow though on cover drives seemed very photogenic. I always found that due to playing baseball for so long my cricket batting swings kinda morphed into a baseball technique. Paul told me a heavier bat will sort this out but he will try his best to keep a light pick up. And by golly he delivered. It picks up like a 2.10/2.11. I just need to get used to the weight which should be a problem. The shot that I did connect were Amazeballs! Just flew off the bat and the sound was lush!

[Number 11]

My old GM Cannon Original, 7 grain and seemed like a soft pressing, took 12 hours knocking in before I was really happy with it.
My war sop was a harder pressing and was good in less than 5 hours.

Moisture could well affect the weight at Aldred and your home, I noticed two of my bats gained nearly an ounce in a couple of days when the weather started getting damp. Sad but yes I really did weigh them

[GarrettJ]

a decent bat will go from day one and get better