Topic: Herts clubs vote to leave Home Counties Prem (Read 16170 times)

Gingerbusiness · « **Reply #60 on:** November 23, 2013, 07:39:07 PM »

From what I was told by a man in the know was that they were 'expelled' from the league. It is a shame for the five clubs. I assume they can reapply to go back in, but this would mean disowning the Herts League and hoping that the TVCL (Or whatever it becomes) votes to let them back in.

Its a nasty state of affairs. We are in Div.3 of the TVCL and we have no idea where we will be playing our cricket next season yet - its all up in the air!

uknsaunders · « **Reply #61 on:** November 23, 2013, 07:40:28 PM »

Quote from: Gingerbusiness on November 23, 2013, 07:23:33 PM

They won't go... There's no money in it!

I'm coming to the conclusion that separate county leagues aren't a bad idea to an extent. Keep the home counties as a single or two division setup but make promotion into the setup by invite only. Clubs without money or have no wish to spend money can stay playing a competitive standard in a more regional herts/bucks/Berks/oxon setup and the truly ambitious clubs winning these leagues on a regular basis could accept an invite if they wished. Would maintain the links to all the league's without obligating any club to join.

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ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #62 on:** November 23, 2013, 07:44:40 PM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on November 23, 2013, 07:40:28 PM

I'm coming to the conclusion that separate county leagues aren't a bad idea to an extent. Keep the home counties as a single or two division setup but make promotion into the setup by invite only. Clubs without money or have no wish to spend money can stay playing a competitive standard in a more regional herts/bucks/Berks/oxon setup and the truly ambitious clubs winning these leagues on a regular basis could accept an invite if they wished. Would maintain the links to all the league's without obligating any club to join.

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Will this not create a list of have and have nots though? I mean, I know the ECB are trying that anyway with Focus/Coubmark clubs already but this just sounds like a way for the few rich clubs to monopolise and probably end up with 5/6 teams and then other clubs getting g one/two teams if possible just making up the numbers

Gingerbusiness · « **Reply #63 on:** November 23, 2013, 07:52:36 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on November 23, 2013, 07:44:40 PM

Will this not create a list of have and have nots though? I mean, I know the ECB are trying that anyway with Focus/Coubmark clubs already but this just sounds like a way for the few rich clubs to monopolise and probably end up with 5/6 teams and then other clubs getting g one/two teams if possible just making up the numbers

I know without clubmark, we like many other smaller clubs out there, would be in a bit of trouble. We already have to fund raise and work our backsides off just to keep the club running.

I think it is a shame some clubs use their vast finances to take advantage of professional players but it also increases the level of cricket in the TVCL as the 'normal' first team players filter into the 2nd and 3rd XI teams. I mean, I really love playing against Slough 2s when I come in at 12-5 to face a guy who was playing Pakistani state level the week before - bowling 80mph+ bouncers at the skipper and myself...

uknsaunders · « **Reply #64 on:** November 23, 2013, 07:54:40 PM »

We have haves and have nots already and always will. Top club players expect to get paid. I don't agree with it but the top clubs will pay and take the best players. Why not just let them get on with it but leave the door open for strong clubs to join rather than force promotion or relegation. Many clubs are happy to develop youth and play a good standard with good facilities. Busting the bank doesn't make sense for a well run club. The 5 herts could still play home counties in that situation without being outcasts or forced into a hertz setup they don't want.

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meats · « **Reply #65 on:** November 23, 2013, 08:55:17 PM »

Sounds like fun Gingerbusiness...thankfully, I believe anyway, Slough went up so you won't have to face him next season! We should also be going up to 3A for next season so not having to face that will be a relief!

We've never paid anyone to play for us before and that won't be changing next season. We've got a very good crop of youngsters coming through at the moment so that will stand us in good stead going forward. Talking about clubs paying players, Bracknell in div 4 of TVL have paid one guy to come down from Birmingham to pretty much keep them in the division and once safe from relegation he doesn't play! Apparently on �200 a game. When we played them this year they also paid for 2 other players to come down from Watford, one of whom was a pretty handy spinner. Very bizarre club although their teas are very nice.

Manormanic · « **Reply #66 on:** November 24, 2013, 12:05:00 AM »

Quote from: meats on November 23, 2013, 08:55:17 PM

We've never paid anyone to play for us before and that won't be changing next season. We've got a very good crop of youngsters coming through at the moment so that will stand us in good stead going forward. Talking about clubs paying players, Bracknell in div 4 of TVL have paid one guy to come down from Birmingham to pretty much keep them in the division and once safe from relegation he doesn't play! Apparently on �200 a game. When we played them this year they also paid for 2 other players to come down from Watford, one of whom was a pretty handy spinner. Very bizarre club although their teas are very nice.

Know the guy. Loved it when one of my colts got him out at their place couple of seasons back, admittedly after the game was sorta finished. When they came to ours, the two had "words" at the start and the colt won within three balls! Been trying to control his ego ever since

Gingerbusiness · « **Reply #67 on:** November 24, 2013, 12:09:54 AM »

Quote from: meats on November 23, 2013, 08:55:17 PM

Sounds like fun Gingerbusiness...thankfully, I believe anyway, Slough went up so you won't have to face him next season! We should also be going up to 3A for next season so not having to face that will be a relief!

We've never paid anyone to play for us before and that won't be changing next season. We've got a very good crop of youngsters coming through at the moment so that will stand us in good stead going forward. Talking about clubs paying players, Bracknell in div 4 of TVL have paid one guy to come down from Birmingham to pretty much keep them in the division and once safe from relegation he doesn't play! Apparently on �200 a game. When we played them this year they also paid for 2 other players to come down from Watford, one of whom was a pretty handy spinner. Very bizarre club although their teas are very nice.

Yeah - I have heard rumours that Wargrave and T&T have got some good young lads coming through.

Mahmood was on at least �200 a week and probably the worst team player I have ever seen in my life - But I agree, the tea on the pool table is pretty awesome. On the whole, a really good bunch of lads.

Manormanic · « **Reply #68 on:** November 24, 2013, 08:38:45 AM »

There are a few clubs with decent youth set ups in the TVL at the moment!

uknsaunders · « **Reply #69 on:** November 24, 2013, 12:27:17 PM »

Just seen that the tvl are reorganising the divisions. So teams at the same level for 2014 are being placed in a and b divisions based on geography.

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meats · « **Reply #70 on:** November 24, 2013, 01:28:36 PM »

Quote from: Gingerbusiness on November 24, 2013, 12:09:54 AM

Yeah - I have heard rumours that Wargrave and T&T have got some good young lads coming through.

Mahmood was on at least �200 a week and probably the worst team player I have ever seen in my life - But I agree, the tea on the pool table is pretty awesome. On the whole, a really good bunch of lads.

I'm at T&T so probably not the most impartial view but we've got 3 or 4 very good youngsters coming through at the moment, and a couple more who should be pushing 1s in the next season or two. Each one had a significant impact last year on at least 2 occasions with one of them being our leading run scorer in the league and another (13 year old) opening the batting and scoring 300 or so runs.

Wargrave are a young team, the majority of them in their mid 20s I would say. They've got one very good 14 or 15 year old, Euan Woods I think his name is. Classy left hand bat and a good spinner too. Their pitch is an absolute road so could be a good one to book a holiday for if you're a bowler

They've got a quickish opening bowler, French, but he spent most of the time banging the ball in as short as he could which is a bit of a waste considering the state of some of the pitches, including ours, that we play on!

I wouldn't have paid Mahmood �200 a match, very good bat but would always give you chances. He bowled a lot for them in the 2012 season and the buffet he provided came close to matching their teas!

Manormanic - agreed! Cove and Eversley had some very good youngsters in their 2s when we played against them. I'm sure there are plenty of other clubs out there who have some good youngsters who I haven't played against!

uknsaunders - if you see anything can you share the divisions? I'm hoping that our skipper will send something out but not holding my breath on that!

Gingerbusiness · « **Reply #71 on:** November 24, 2013, 01:45:07 PM »

Quote from: meats on November 24, 2013, 01:28:36 PM

I'm at T&T so probably not the most impartial view but we've got 3 or 4 very good youngsters coming through at the moment, and a couple more who should be pushing 1s in the next season or two. Each one had a significant impact last year on at least 2 occasions with one of them being our leading run scorer in the league and another (13 year old) opening the batting and scoring 300 or so runs.

Wargrave are a young team, the majority of them in their mid 20s I would say. They've got one very good 14 or 15 year old, Euan Woods I think his name is. Classy left hand bat and a good spinner too. Their pitch is an absolute road so could be a good one to book a holiday for if you're a bowler They've got a quickish opening bowler, French, but he spent most of the time banging the ball in as short as he could which is a bit of a waste considering the state of some of the pitches, including ours, that we play on!

I wouldn't have paid Mahmood �200 a match, very good bat but would always give you chances. He bowled a lot for them in the 2012 season and the buffet he provided came close to matching their teas!

Manormanic - agreed! Cove and Eversley had some very good youngsters in their 2s when we played against them. I'm sure there are plenty of other clubs out there who have some good youngsters who I haven't played against!

uknsaunders - if you see anything can you share the divisions? I'm hoping that our skipper will send something out but not holding my breath on that!

Well I am at Hurst CC. We look forward to hosting you at our place - Oh and I am the eldest in our team @ 29.

meats · « **Reply #72 on:** November 24, 2013, 01:58:25 PM »

Quote from: Gingerbusiness on November 24, 2013, 01:45:07 PM

Well I am at Hurst CC. We look forward to hosting you at our place - Oh and I am the eldest in our team @ 29.

Left arm bowler? If so then I played against you the year you went up to div 3. Lovely ground and good bunch of lads, we were disappointed when we saw you go up (from a purely selfish point of view!)

Gingerbusiness · « **Reply #73 on:** November 24, 2013, 02:07:57 PM »

No. That's our opening bowler, Andy. (I am the other ginger/blonde. I was injured when you played at our place in 2012. I remember playing at your place though.)

Unfortunately, he has moved to London now (Loved up with his Mrs!) but we have two new opening bowlers coming in this season, one from Beaconsfield and one from Farnham Royal so they will replace Andy and A.N.Other.

Div3a will be REALLY strong this season coming. Looks like BA and Wokingham 2s are coming down, Wargrave and yourselves coming up - The standard in 3a was always lightyears stronger than 4b but its just been reinforced this year.

meats · « **Reply #74 on:** November 24, 2013, 02:25:58 PM »

Ah ok, I think I know who you are then - I injured myself batting at our place due to being unfit and attempting to run! You still got your off spinner who turned into your opening bowler in the latter half of the 2012 season?

We've heard that div 3 is a big jump up compared to 4. Our main aim is to avoid the drop and build from there. As far as I'm aware we don't have any new players and we might have lost our Indian bat and leggie, which would be a huge loss for us as he's moved into London. He used to play on Sundays with Abi (I think that's the name of your Indian guy?). As you can probably imagine, with our facilities it's not particularly easy to attract first team players to our club!

We played against a few of the BA boys in a Sunday friendly and they had some serious upheavals behind the scenes which resulted in them losing half of their first team for 2013 season. It looks like they started to get their act together at the end of the season so I would expect them to be strong next season. I'm hoping that Stoke Green have gone up, there weren't many sides who we didn't get on with but they were definitely one!

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