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[jwebber86]

jonothan trott is taking an extended break from international cricket.

i wondering if this means they will put ian bell at 3 and have root and bairstow at 5 and 6 will be interesting to see

http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/current/story/692405.html

[ajmw89]

Really feel for the guy.  Depression and stress related problems in general are a serious issue.  Just because someone is physically fine, doesn't mean they're mentally fine.  Hope he recovers well.

By the sounds of it, management knew he's been struggling with it for a while.  If that's the case, why didn't someone pull him aside sooner?

[ppccopener]

clearly 'long standing' from the reports on BBC-it's just been kept with the England camp

he will need professional help to get back on track but as with tresco,he may never play for England again.

i think myself if you look at the microscope these players are under it's no wonder the stress and pressure gets to them.

whilst the old players may not understand(boycott was critical of trescothink) they did not play under the modern day pressure and all the press were their mates back in the day.....

hope trotty recovers he's been an excellent player for England

[Number4]

If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to

[vividgreen]

If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to

too right they do - why send someone on tour if they are not up to scratch........ or did the short stuff from Mitch tip him over the edge.

I think this is going to turn into a nasty and very entertaining ashes series - can't wait for the next test.

[tim2000s]

If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to

I am certain that he wasn't forced to go on the tour and would have been in constant discussion with management about his condition.

too right they do - why send someone on tour if they are not up to scratch........ or did the short stuff from Mitch tip him over the edge.

I suspect that the latter is the case.

[Nickauger]

If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to

What you have to remember is that the England backroom staff is one of the best in the business. They would have been confident that their sports psych was good enough to deal with it. I would hazard a guess that he's got even further down on himself after the test match, and decided that it isn't worth it for the time being. He's been horribly found out, and I suspect that being the intense character that he is, has realised that his mental state has contributed to his technical deficiency! I wouldn't lay the blame at the management's door, and I wouldn't lay it at Trott's either. After reading Tres' book, I can see why he's taken this view!

[justnotcricket86]

For someone who is going through a mental issue, I can tell you now the last thing he needs for some two bit thug like Warner coming out and saying he is 'weak' at a press conference, would have no doubt shattered him.

Really feel for the guy, and hope he gets back to normal ASAP.

[uknsaunders]

Mental illness never really goes away. It has to be managed. Trott will to some extent will always have this problem, so just giving up cricket isn't an option. The management would of had detailed discussions with Trott over going/not going but sometimes you have to be placed under stress to find out. Only so much talking on the couch and medication will help. Scoring runs might of eased things and you wonder whether he would of gone home if he scored a daddy hundred at Brisbane. Who knows.

I wonder if Stokes might be lined up or perhaps Ballance. For me Bairstow has been ignored for a reason. The next practise game might be very interesting. I would'nt be surprised to see a very pumped up England XI.

[Number4]

What you have to remember is that the England backroom staff is one of the best in the business. They would have been confident that their sports psych was good enough to deal with it. I would hazard a guess that he's got even further down on himself after the test match, and decided that it isn't worth it for the time being. He's been horribly found out, and I suspect that being the intense character that he is, has realised that his mental state has contributed to his technical deficiency! I wouldn't lay the blame at the management's door, and I wouldn't lay it at Trott's either. After reading Tres' book, I can see why he's taken this view!

If they were the best in the business and have known about this for months as they said they did then why not rest him leading up to this series?

Duty of care comes to mind...

For someone who is going through a mental issue, I can tell you now the last thing he needs for some two bit thug like Warner coming out and saying he is 'weak' at a press conference, would have no doubt shattered him.

Really feel for the guy, and hope he gets back to normal ASAP.

This certainly isn't Warner's fault...ridiculous to even think that

[tim2000s]

If they were the best in the business and have known about this for months as they said they did then why not rest him leading up to this series?

Duty of care comes to mind...

Comes back to how is it managed and what does the individual want? We have no idea how Warwickshire, England or his own personal medical staff have worked with him to deal with it, so statements like this are less than helpful. I suspect that it's unlikely to be a case of months, either. I suspect that it is a lot longer period of time.

[justnotcricket86]

If they were the best in the business and have known about this for months as they said they did then why not rest him leading up to this series?

Duty of care comes to mind...

This certainly isn't Warner's fault...ridiculous to even think that

I certainly wasn't blaming Warner in the slightest, I was just saying that hearing something like that from anyone in the public arena would be devastating to hear. Sorry mate, don't think I was clear on that!

[Manormanic]

This certainly isn't Warner's fault...ridiculous to even think that

Quite; aside from anything mention has been made of his issues going back to the end of the last Ashes (when, incidentally, he scored enough runs to make it pretty clear that this is not a performance related issue).  Warner may be a bit of an oik but he's within his rights to look for any advantage he can find - lets face it, he's been playing in a side getting annihalated for some time now, seeking to push on is hardly unreasonable.  The only thing that bugs me is, he's not one to take it when its dished back at him...

[trypewriter]

Mental illness never really goes away. It has to be managed. Trott will to some extent will always have this problem, so just giving up cricket isn't an option. The management would of had detailed discussions with Trott over going/not going but sometimes you have to be placed under stress to find out. Only so much talking on the couch and medication will help. Scoring runs might of eased things and you wonder whether he would of gone home if he scored a daddy hundred at Brisbane. Who knows.

I wonder if Stokes might be lined up or perhaps Ballance. For me Bairstow has been ignored for a reason. The next practise game might be very interesting. I would'nt be surprised to see a very pumped up England XI.

I think part of it might be that he sets himself very high standards. Huge respect for the guy.

[ppccopener]

yeah echo that trypewriter
it takes guts to admit you have a problem,you can see by his methods at the crease he's perhaps not the most easy going guy in the world,he's known to be an intense character

Personally I think the criticism on these boards of the ECB is off the mark,the support around the England team these days is top class,and he will now get everything he needs to HOPEFULLY resume his career.....

this test series has ignited and England will now be under pressue and a test of character awaits....

there is of course the possibility his career with England is over just like Tresco