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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2013, 10:55:16 AM »

this test series has ignited and England will now be under pressue and a test of character awaits....

there is of course the possibility his career with England is over just like Tresco

Interesting comments. Neither Tresco/Yardy have made an appearance in an England shirt again.

Certainly is a test of character. The senior guys need to step up and get stuck into Australia.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2013, 10:58:56 AM »

going into bat with everyone expecting you to get 50 or 100 is not easy. It creates a lot of pressure, when you fail you feel like you have lot a lot of people down. Fail a few times and you start to doubt yourself and your own ability. The cycle gets worse until you actually dont want to play cricket any more.

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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2013, 11:24:08 AM »

these blokes are human just like the rest of us.
we feel the pressure playing club cricket(at least I do)
going out to bat at the start of the innings,you know everyone is looking at you, 'if we get a good start we will be ok'

and all that stuff
yes they are professionals with team support around them but sometimes that dont matter
Trott needs to clear his head and get help.
England fans(us) kow he has done well for us and we like him as a player-he's been our rock and we want him back.
But personally I feel he will not return just like pointed out above-Yardy and Tresco.
In any walk of like you put yourself first and look after Number 1
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2013, 11:27:26 AM »

going into bat with everyone expecting you to get 50 or 100 is not easy. It creates a lot of pressure, when you fail you feel like you have lot a lot of people down. Fail a few times and you start to doubt yourself and your own ability. The cycle gets worse until you actually dont want to play cricket any more.

agree. It wears you down and you stop enjoying it. While I wouldn't say I have been in that situation for long, there have been spells where my team were so poor that me and a couple of others have carried the team. Knowing if you get out or fail the game is over as a contest isn't wonderful for your state of mind. Most of us cope with it but times that by 100 for test match cricket and it must be pretty hard to deal with. Not sure where I read it, but much of the England mental training is about relaxing and playing as pressure free as possible.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2013, 11:41:19 AM »

Does the English tradition of stiff upper lip ,the stereotypical masculinity play a role of increasing mental health illness among British sport personalities or is it becoming more apparent because of the likes Trescothick becoming open mindedness has encouraged many to come forward ?.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2013, 11:55:35 AM »

Sad to see him leave with depression related issues.. I feel for these guys..

Living in India, I can tell you that the captain of the Indian cricket team is more in the news than the Prime Minister, and hence crazy expectations and pressure.
This is one cricket crazy nation!
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2013, 12:10:30 PM »

Mental illness never really goes away. It has to be managed. Trott will to some extent will always have this problem, so just giving up cricket isn't an option. The management would of had detailed discussions with Trott over going/not going but sometimes you have to be placed under stress to find out. Only so much talking on the couch and medication will help. Scoring runs might of eased things and you wonder whether he would of gone home if he scored a daddy hundred at Brisbane. Who knows.

I wonder if Stokes might be lined up or perhaps Ballance. For me Bairstow has been ignored for a reason. The next practise game might be very interesting. I would'nt be surprised to see a very pumped up England XI.

I feel I can comment on this as I have struggled with mental illness over the last 2 years. It was triggered by a series of traumatic events in my life and cricket is my escape - I can only imagine the pain Trott is feeling if cricket has become the trigger. What I would say to people is that, unless you have experienced depression, you never really understand how bad it is - and I am speaking from personal experience.

It can be controlled - It might have come at the wrong time for him, it might have just been too much after the previous series. It is very much a personal choice as to whether he will feel like playing or not.

All I know, regardless of cricket battlelines, everyone should be behind him - because right now, he will be going through hell.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2013, 12:12:09 PM »

For someone who is going through a mental issue, I can tell you now the last thing he needs for some two bit thug like Warner coming out and saying he is 'weak' at a press conference, would have no doubt shattered him.

Really feel for the guy, and hope he gets back to normal ASAP.

More like the much celebrated ex captain Michael Vaughan going to town over how bad the 2 innings were.... i think his comments would have cut deeper than warners.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2013, 12:17:27 PM »

micheal vaughan on BBC has now said he regrets his remarks...

it was OTT and there are so many ex players on the gravy train they all have to say something.

Trott has long standing issues so it's probably not the comments of Warner or Vaughan which is the reason

but the ramping up of the pressure by the media is far too much.

These pro's are just normal blokes like the rest of us with exceptional talent.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2013, 12:55:09 PM »

are there examples of professional sports men (or women) from other countries having these issues?

I cannot believe that the UK is the only place where people have stress - or is it in other jurisdictions the truth doesn't come out?

I feel really sorry for Trott, this is pretty bad. hopefully we will be able to go from #trottsfault to #winitfortrotty
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2013, 01:05:20 PM »

Robert Enke, the German goalkeeper, parked his car on a rail track.

It's good to know that the England players can be confident enough to admit their issues and take steps to deal with them. It reflects well on the ECB that, on the face of it, they are understanding enough to not just tell him to pull himself together.

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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2013, 01:34:02 PM »

Some years ago I remember Stan Collymore calling Rad5 to discuss it before his problem had become common knowledge. Very moving and also insightful.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2013, 01:40:06 PM »

Would he have been dropped anyway, though? Let's face it, although he still has a good Test batting average, his form has been abysmal of late, and the Aussies have clearly found him out.  It's very sad news for Trott, but might actually help England I feel...

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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2013, 01:46:10 PM »

Trott could have made 6 ducks in a row and not been dropped he has that much good will in the bank.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2013, 01:59:12 PM »

Sad news indeed, sounds like he's reached a breaking point in his life that's too much to cope with at the moment.
I think next year he should come and play Sunday afternoon friendlies with my team and learn how to enjoy playing again out of the spotlight. ;)
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