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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #45 on: November 25, 2013, 06:49:23 PM »

I saw a piece in the mirror of all papers pointing out that England are alone in having a northern hemisphere summer. Englands cricketers are dealing with playing international cricket nearly twelve months of the year. Other countries do play more than they use to but England probably play more cricket still. Injury prevention is certainly better than before central contracts but maybe the mental side needs looking into?
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #46 on: November 25, 2013, 07:00:52 PM »

Would he have been dropped anyway, though? Let's face it, although he still has a good Test batting average, his form has been abysmal of late, and the Aussies have clearly found him out.  It's very sad news for Trott, but might actually help England I feel...

Nah, his form probably rally's with when he got I'll. he wouldn't have been dropped,though. Miles better than anyone else we have currently. Just hope bell isn't moved up. Compton in to provide that steady base
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #47 on: November 25, 2013, 07:05:24 PM »

I live Bell at 5 too. Maybe Root or Ballance at 3.

It really is a shame as I do believe he would have proved the doubters wrong by the end of the series.

I saw what he did in the second innings, and I think he went with the same mentality Clarke did. Go out there and hit it. Unfortunately Clarkes technique was better and it worked for him and not Trott.

Really hope he gets better in time for the summer.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #48 on: November 25, 2013, 07:07:09 PM »

People should remember that thismisman illness and affects more people than we think. Who knows why England players suffer more, maybe we are weak? Doubt it, I'd say it's because 'we' allow people to be I'll rather than treat them as nutters. People saying hints about him won't have helped over the last year, doubt it will but next person you 'sledge', just think about what you maybe doing to them IF they happen to suffer from this illness.

Get well soon mr Trott
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #49 on: November 25, 2013, 07:38:33 PM »

I feel for Jonathan Trott as there's a lot of 'stiff upper lip' bullpoop out there. Clinical depression may be brought on by a variety of circumstance but it's the damage that the stress does to the chemical balance of the brain that is the [largely believed] cause of depression. It is a recognised disease - his brain is effectively injured and the balance will be restored but it will probably be a long road to recovery for the poor chap.
Up until recently he had averages of over 50 in ODI and Test cricket - something that is a rarity in our glorious game.
I wish him all the best and hope he comes back to international cricket to be the anchor of the side once again.

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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2013, 07:42:37 PM »

1 - If you don't have it you don't understand how difficult it can be.
2 - Sometimes lack of knowledge about it does not mean it doesn't exist. Players in those countried develop other issues, Kambli is a great e.g. that comes to mind.
3 - There is this belief that you can tough it out, don't be week etc. Its not that simple

On most days you could feel down but believe you can cope, amount it to pressure of life/situation etc but then there are some days where you cannot control it or manage it or hide it, takes a bit to recover from it and everyone recovers differently with varying amount of time. You don't know what is going to trigger an episode, atleast not early or what the symptoms are. Most people are even embarrased to talk about it let alone go see a professional but it needs to be done and takes a lot of courage, most days you feel like a failure in one way or another, need a very strong support structure around (internal and external). Accepting help is difficult, sometimes people trying to help may seem like your worst enemies and others might not have a clue what they are talking about but when the clouds clear you feel stronger and happier to have had the fortune being around well wishers who care.

I feel for Trott, I hope he gets all the help he needs and more. You have to fight your demons, not easy but that is the only solution (with help)

Let's not mix this stress related illness to the coping of pressure by an international player. The pressure to perform can be one contributing factor but not the sole reason. Different players handle success and failures in different ways and that sets them apart. Kambli though hugely talented couldn't cope up with the star dum and his priorities went wrong. Instead of working on short stuff ,other technical aspects of the game and physical fitness his proirities became ear rings, modelling etc. I wouldn't compare him to Trott or trescothick. Both of whom highly committed and in their primes when this illness struck them and neither's place was in immediate danger in the team when they decided to leave.
As UK Saunders pointed out, amount of cricket might be a factor.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #51 on: November 25, 2013, 07:55:01 PM »

Let's not mix this stress related illness to the coping of pressure by an international player. The pressure to perform can be one contributing factor but not the sole reason. Different players handle success and failures in different ways and that sets them apart. Kambli though hugely talented couldn't cope up with the star dum and his priorities went wrong. Instead of working on short stuff ,other technical aspects of the game and physical fitness his proirities became ear rings, modelling etc. I wouldn't compare him to Trott or trescothick. Both of whom highly committed and in their primes when this illness struck them and neither's place was in immediate danger in the team when they decided to leave.
As UK Saunders pointed out, amount of cricket might be a factor.

I am not comparing Kambli to Trott, just trying to make a point that these issues exist everywhere in the world. Kudos to England for encouraging players to talk and do something about it, whereas others might just continue to hide/ignore it.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #52 on: November 25, 2013, 08:01:27 PM »

I suspect some of the lesser nations would look down on their players if they admitted such a thing. My money says at least one member of most test squads will either be suffering or will suffer. Regardless of how good,you think they see
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #53 on: November 25, 2013, 08:05:25 PM »

I suspect some of the lesser nations would look down on their players if they admitted such a thing. My money says at least one member of most test squads will either be suffering or will suffer. Regardless of how good,you think they see

This is why the PCA needs to be lauded. From reading about their work in AOC, it seems that they've figuratively coaxed a few pro cricketers down from the ledge.

You wonder how promising players are lost to the game.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #54 on: November 25, 2013, 08:08:58 PM »

This is why the PCA needs to be lauded. From reading about their work in AOC, it seems that they've figuratively coaxed a few pro cricketers down from the ledge.

You wonder how promising players are lost to the game.

I doubt many of us think about these aspects of life, why would we after all . PCA do good things
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #55 on: November 25, 2013, 08:20:19 PM »

It's sad when great sportsmen like Trott suffer like this. Hopefully he can recover and get back to the way he was playing before the ashes without it having a detrimental effect.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #56 on: November 25, 2013, 08:26:04 PM »

I can tell you stress is a major killer it is not something to be snaffled at.

I can only speak from my experiences but stress is everywhere and it a boulder in people's life that can effect absolutely anybody no matter what you think.

I wish trott the best I hope he finds guidance and heals naturally in time.

Good luck Trotty and anybody else who suffers from the silent killer. 
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #57 on: November 25, 2013, 08:38:34 PM »

No doubt these efforts should be lauded and every country should encourage the players to come forward and talk about. Though not sure what the term " lesser nation " mean here. I would take it as a reference to cricket playing nations from Asia.
Though there are other nations as well.. Australia south Africa or newzealand. Question here is Can we classify the cases pertaining to Trescothick trott Symonds Ryder  etc all in one basket and say it's the same just different guys reacted it in a different way ?
Or there should be an effort to get to the root cause of it.

How much weather in UK has an effect?

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web3/dyar3.html

My native UK mates may share their thoughts on this aspect.
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #58 on: November 25, 2013, 08:53:30 PM »

No doubt these efforts should be lauded and every country should encourage the players to come forward and talk about. Though not sure what the term " lesser nation " mean here. I would take it as a reference to cricket playing nations from Asia.
Though there are other nations as well.. Australia south Africa or newzealand. Question here is Can we classify the cases pertaining to Trescothick trott Symonds Ryder  etc all in one basket and say it's the same just different guys reacted it in a different way ?
Or there should be an effort to get to the root cause of it.

How much weather in UK has an effect?

http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web3/dyar3.html

My native UK mates may share their thoughts on this aspect.


I think he would mean the countries that put more pressure on the players themselves. E.g. India with Tendulkar, it would have been very understandable if he had suffered something like this.

Also, I personally find rain very relaxing if I'm stressed at all  :D (unless its when I'm waiting to play cricket). Am I weird if I decide to randomly go for walks when it is raining  :-[?
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Re: Jonathan Trott returns home
« Reply #59 on: November 25, 2013, 08:55:25 PM »

I think he would mean the countries that put more pressure on the players themselves. E.g. India with Tendulkar, it would have been very understandable if he had suffered something like this.

Also, I personally find rain very relaxing if I'm stressed at all  :D (unless its when I'm waiting to play cricket). Am I weird if I decide to randomly go for walks when it is raining :-[?

No it just means you are on the more feminine side of male ;) :D
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