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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2013, 11:55:57 AM »

Whilst England have regressed over the last 18 months.

Australia have improved since the English Summer Ashes.

If some of you remember Harris and Siddle where all over England in the summer. Clarke's problem was Pattinson, Starc and Bird where all over you the place.

Starc and Pattinson where going at 4rpo every innings. Releasing the pressure Harris and Siddle created.

Couple with the shocking decision to play Agar ahead of Lyon in Trent bridge and Lords compounded Clarke's problems.

Since Lyon got recalled, he's given Clarke controll.

And now the new and improved Mitchell Johnson gives Clarke the firepower to turn the screw after Harris/Siddle/Lyon build up pressure.

Johnson's been bowling well, and fast, for thr last 12-18 months. Which made his summer omission more surprising.

This isn't the left or right Johnson anymore.
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2013, 11:58:20 AM »

Guys like Starc and Pattinson, super talented, but erred in line and length too many. And bowled to short in England.

Johnson hasn't given England his old weakness. The short ball outside off stump or the ball on the pads.

Johnson's gone away and came back magnificently.
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2013, 12:50:57 PM »

Prior

1st test eng 1 & 31
2nd test      6 & 1*
3rd test       30
4th test       17 & 0
5th test       47 & 0*
sussex         23
sussex         16 & 6
warm up        4
warm up       26
1st test       0 & 4
2nd test       0 & ???


Unless he gets a high high score in the 2nd innings and saved the test he should be dropped. Unfortunately I don't think I will see that happen.

On the other gloves though haddin is in some form....
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2013, 12:58:31 PM »

Prior

1st test eng 1 & 31
2nd test      6 & 1*
3rd test       30
4th test       17 & 0
5th test       47 & 0*
sussex         23
sussex         16 & 6
warm up        4
warm up       26
1st test       0 & 4
2nd test       0 & ???


Unless he gets a high high score in the 2nd innings and saved the test he should be dropped. Unfortunately I don't think I will see that happen.

On the other gloves though haddin is in some form....

I knew his run was bad wow that's worse that I thought!
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2013, 01:11:24 PM »

Prior

1st test eng 1 & 31
2nd test      6 & 1*
3rd test       30
4th test       17 & 0
5th test       47 & 0*
sussex         23
sussex         16 & 6
warm up        4
warm up       26
1st test       0 & 4
2nd test       0 & ???

He doesn't get on with Spartan gear?
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2013, 01:16:32 PM »

He doesn't get on with Spartan gear?
So that unbeaten hundred using Spartan gear means nothing??
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2013, 01:24:25 PM »

So that unbeaten hundred using Spartan gear means nothing??

Not right now, no.
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2013, 01:29:02 PM »

Not right now, no.
I don't think it's anything to do with not getting on with gear tbh, he's probably using the same bats he always has done with different stickers on.
Form is a curious thing, just one innings with the cricket gods smiling at you turns it around
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2013, 01:31:44 PM »

Gear has nothing to do with his form. He's just not batting well at all
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2013, 01:37:22 PM »

Gear has nothing to do with his form. He's just not batting well at all
Thanks Tom, confirming I'm not mad haha
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2013, 02:19:21 PM »

I think this says everything you need. It's Johnson.

"England's middle order in this series has now been detonated three times in three knocks: six wickets for nine runs in the first innings in Brisbane, four for nine in the second and now four for six here in Adelaide."

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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2013, 02:31:07 PM »

In some ways I hope England do get whitewashed, maybe it will give them the kick they need to play without arrogance, and at least try, they are batting too slow and putting pressure on themselves and playing silly shots, like root and KP.

Fair play to the Aussies using some aggression and putting England on the back foot, how long before johnson makes half of them leave with stress related illnesses??

Completely out or order this post and complete nuts
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2013, 02:34:07 PM »

Batting too slow makes you arrogant now? Damn, I must come across as a very arrogant player in a large amount of my games  :(.
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2013, 02:37:55 PM »

One team is on the rise (although they how a few oldies so won't be rising for long without new players coming through) and England's main players are on the wane. Wrong side of 30 most of them, been there ages and no real competition for their places.

It's a cycle all teams go through tbh BUT give. This is a national side they should have been planning and watching for these guys to start the dip, send them to pasture and have the next cab ready to go . None of it's happened so now we have his situation. Catches win matches and searching a take like Warner's is something this England side did between 2009-2011 consistently but now can barley catch a cold.. Sign of a poor team in my opinion. I don't personally think this aus side is that good, they are just better than this England side.

Batting slow is arrogant ?? Oh right, that's a new one
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Re: Why are England playing so poorly in Australia?
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2013, 03:02:59 PM »

Its quite simple really. England are not as solid as they used to be and have lost a little quality in the batting dept. Aussie have done their homework really well + their batsmen are applying them selves and of course Johnson is on fire.
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