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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2013, 07:09:15 PM »

For the rest of the ashes.

Cook (as skipper, cant drop him really).
Carbs (two games to show he can get that "big" score).
Bell (I think he should stay at 5, but to prove one way or the other).
KP (I guarantee he'll get a ton before the end of the series)
Ballance (give him a go, why not).
Stokes (tonned up, bowls ok).
Prior (two games to get his form back, no pressure now, go play some shots)
Bresnan (done ok in last test).
Finn (for the injured Broad).
Swann (best spinner we have, not much left for him).
Rankin (foe the "injured" Anderson after he picks up a niggle in training).

So the only dropped player is possibly the one with most potential. Root. I really like him as a cricketer and possibly future captain. Not really sure why it is him to lose out. Maybe because we can be sure he'll be back in the summer.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2013, 07:17:10 PM »

For me it would be

Cook
Carbs
Root
KP
Bell
Stokes
Prior
Bresnan
Broad(if not fit then Rankin)
Finn
Panesar

Swan has been a great bowler but it seems that this Australia side have got his number. Panesar out bowled him when he played. Anderson is great when there is sideways movement but cant get this Kook ball swinging (either conventional or reverse).
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2013, 07:23:29 PM »

Rest of the series

Cook
Carberry (he's not long term but he looks like he belongs)
Bell
Root
Ali
Balance
Prior
Stokes
Broad (if fit, I'd not then rankin because Finn has zero confidence it seems)
Rankin (if already selected due to broad then Finn)
Monty


Post ashes and for the next 12 months regardless of form

Cook
Carberry
Bell
Root
Ali
Balance
Prior
Stokes
Broad
Rankin
Monty

My 'spares' would be Chopra, Robson, Finn and borthwick. I'd get Barstow and butler playing as much county cricket as possible (even if that means missing ODI's) and then send them to Aus I the winter for more state cricket .



Long term

Cook
Chopra
Root
Alli
Robson
Balance
Butler
Stokes
Broad
Finn
Borthwick

Vince in reserve


No idea then who is coming through but if they are going to change then change now and give the new players a full 3/4 series to learn. Also, when not playing send them to their counties for championship games.. Rest them by using a different squad for Micky mouse t20 and ODI
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2013, 07:32:54 PM »

Rest of the series

Cook
Carberry (he's not long term but he looks like he belongs)
Bell
Root
Ali
Balance
Prior
Stokes
Broad (if fit, I'd not then rankin because Finn has zero confidence it seems)
Rankin (if already selected due to broad then Finn)
Monty


Post ashes and for the next 12 months regardless of form

Cook
Carberry
Bell
Root
Ali
Balance
Prior
Stokes
Broad
Rankin
Monty

My 'spares' would be Chopra, Robson, Finn and borthwick. I'd get Barstow and butler playing as much county cricket as possible (even if that means missing ODI's) and then send them to Aus I the winter for more state cricket .



Long term

Cook
Chopra
Root
Alli
Robson
Balance
Butler
Stokes
Broad
Finn
Borthwick

Vince in reserve


No idea then who is coming through but if they are going to change then change now and give the new players a full 3/4 series to learn. Also, when not playing send them to their counties for championship games.. Rest them by using a different squad for Micky mouse t20 and ODI

So Anderson's career is now over? Seems a pretty harsh assessment of his situation, form is temporary afterall...
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2013, 07:41:28 PM »

So Anderson's career is now over? Seems a pretty harsh assessment of his situation, form is temporary afterall...

No, he can still play a part due to injuries and potential form with Finn etc but he's knackered. Give him a few months off and get him back when with the duke ball. He's 31 though and we need to replace him.

Phase him out and the next in over the next 12-18 months if you want but will he be a force in 2015?

Anyway, people have written carbs off when actually in a failing team he's done ok. Just got unlucky a couple of times. Anderson on his day is great but he's look rubbish this tour on the whole. Odd spells he's bowled ok but in the main he's not done it. Few months off Eric and back in the uk with the duke and he'll be back.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2013, 07:46:24 PM »


No, he can still play a part due to injuries and potential form with Finn etc but he's knackered. Give him a few months off and get him back when with the duke ball. He's 31 though and we need to replace him.

Phase him out and the next in over the next 12-18 months if you want but will he be a force in 2015?

Look at Harris at 34 and with a much more troublesome build/injury record than Anderson but still definitely a force. I still think Anderson has plenty to offer if used properly. Let him continue to run through sides on seamers' wickets in England but stop running him into the ground on unhelpful away surfaces and develop variety in the attack along the way


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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2013, 07:54:04 PM »

There's a lot of baby with the bath water going on here.....

I dont think bringing in  a new batsman is a good idea, he'd get monstered, possibly never play again.

Obviously england havent played as well as they'd like, #6 has been an issue, but looks like thats sorted.  Bell & Root need to swap.  I think people are  being overly harsh on carberry, he's got pretty good starts in first innings.

Looks like broad will be out, bring in rankin or finn
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2013, 08:03:00 PM »


I dont think bringing in  a new batsman is a good idea, he'd get monstered, possibly never play again.



Just like Stokes then?

He has come in and hasn't been "monstered".

This Aussie attack isn't "that good". They all have qualities and play their own part well, but it's not like facing McGrath/Warne etc or the Windies of the 80s.

They are a good bowling unit, and have bowled much better than the English, but will not be remembered as one of the great bowling attacks.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #23 on: December 17, 2013, 08:12:46 PM »

Rest of the series

Cook
Carberry (he's not long term but he looks like he belongs)
Bell
Root
Ali
Balance
Prior
Stokes
Broad (if fit, I'd not then rankin because Finn has zero confidence it seems)
Rankin (if already selected due to broad then Finn)
Monty


Post ashes and for the next 12 months regardless of form

Cook
Carberry
Bell
Root
Ali
Balance
Prior
Stokes
Broad
Rankin
Monty

My 'spares' would be Chopra, Robson, Finn and borthwick. I'd get Barstow and butler playing as much county cricket as possible (even if that means missing ODI's) and then send them to Aus I the winter for more state cricket .



Long term

Cook
Chopra
Root
Alli
Robson
Balance
Butler
Stokes
Broad
Finn
Borthwick

Vince in reserve


No idea then who is coming through but if they are going to change then change now and give the new players a full 3/4 series to learn. Also, when not playing send them to their counties for championship games.. Rest them by using a different squad for Micky mouse t20 and ODI

Worryingly you've put a bloke who bats 3 at number 11 in Borthwick :-/
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #24 on: December 17, 2013, 08:13:42 PM »


There's a lot of baby with the bath water going on here.....

I dont think bringing in  a new batsman is a good idea, he'd get monstered, possibly never play again.

Obviously england havent played as well as they'd like, #6 has been an issue, but looks like thats sorted.  Bell & Root need to swap.  I think people are  being overly harsh on carberry, he's got pretty good starts in first innings.

Looks like broad will be out, bring in rankin or finn

Let's not get carried away! Which England has been 'monstered' other than Cook getting cleaned up early twice and perhaps Prior? Otherwise, by and large they've got themselves out with poor shot selection under pressure, as shown by all of their middling scores. It's only the tail who have been truly roughed up.

Also, not meaning to be harsh on Carberry but at 33 you need instant results or what's the point?


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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #25 on: December 17, 2013, 08:13:54 PM »

There's a lot of baby with the bath water going on here.....

I dont think bringing in  a new batsman is a good idea, he'd get monstered, possibly never play again

Bloody hell, Aussies aren't that good!! They are no Warne/McGrath/lee.
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2013, 09:04:08 PM »

My squad would be:

Cook
Rooooooooot
Chopora
Bell
Ali
Ballance
Stokes
Stevie D
Bresnan
Broad
Finn
Kerrigan
Wakes
Willey
Meaker
Butler
Monty
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #27 on: December 17, 2013, 10:32:38 PM »

Carbs has done enough to keep his place.
Not gonna drop Cook, or even move him.
I'd prefer Bell 3, but can't see England changing their minds
KP is poss the only batter at risk, but then he's the only guy with any xfactor. Not sure he should be dropped, or whether England have the balls to
Bell will prob stay put
Stokes is now undroppable
Prior ought to go but is Bairstow up to it? Will be interesting to see how Buttler gets on as an everyday keeper for lancs

...so I can't see them changing the top 7, which is stupid, since it's England's poor batting that has lost us this test series

Anderson does look knackered, but if Broad is injured will they let the less experienced seamers lead the attack? I'd like to see them bring Onions across (who I believe is on standby) I get the impression that part of the reason he hasn't played so much is because he's seen as being too similar a bowler to Anderson. I think he's experienced enough to alleviate fears about the likes of Finn or Rankin.

Swann has been battling an elbow injury for a long time and I feel if England had won the ashes he would have retired. Whether he'll be dropped, will step down anyway or will strive to go out on a higher note than this remains to be seen. Wouldn't be surprised to see Monty replace him for the rest of the tour.

Thing is a tail of (for arguments sake) Bresnan, Finn, Onions, Monty starts to look bloody long for a side that's already struggling for runs...

So basically... 5-0 Australia
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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #28 on: December 17, 2013, 10:35:41 PM »

I'd drop KP - poor decision-making, irresponsible shots, general poo-ness.

As it is, I suspect England will need to get along without him next year anyway.

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Re: What would your Current England XI be?
« Reply #29 on: December 18, 2013, 12:06:48 AM »

Worryingly you've put a bloke who bats 3 at number 11 in Borthwick :-/

well, he had decided to pick five opening batsmen so...
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