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[Wooly]

In fairness to Johnson he's come back far better than I thought he ever could but his bowling wasn't that good this series if people are honest. He got the tail out sure and fair play but he was a bit wild most of the time (just not wild like 2010/11). Just my opinion. I'm sure awp is the expert and will tell us what we should think.

You are kidding aren't you.  Do you realise out of his 37 wickets 21 were top order batsman (numbers 1-7).  Some of you still don't want to give him the credit he deserves. If you are honest you would acknowledge his bowling was that good.

[smilley792]

What about Darren Sammy as your all rounder......

[cricketbadger]

What about Darren Sammy as your all rounder......

Not a chance, I'd struggle to pick him in my Saturday team. Don't rate him one bit, although he's decent in the slips

[MD2812]

Do you realise out of his 37 wickets 21 were top order batsman (numbers 1-7). 

Nice number grouping for the benefit of your argument much? 

What do you class as a middle order batsman if 1-7 is top order?

I would say 1-5 top order, then it's 13 wickets. 13/37 isn't bad, but it's a different picture to the one you painted. 1 of those would have been Ballance in the first test as well, so it's 12 really

Englands 6 and 7 this tour were unexperienced batsman or an out of form wicket keeper.....


On a side note, MJs cricinfo picture is creepy, not a good headshot!

[Wooly]

you are just playing with words, make it top & middle order then, not tail enders.  Put it this way, only 16 were the tail, that is if you accept the tail starts at 8 which I think most of us would.

[FattusCattus]

Englands batters could all be classed as tail-enders in this series - they were that rubbish - and certainly most if not all looked hesitant against Mitch.

The bits I saw of him I thought he bowled very fast and very accurately, and gave a few batters the sh*ts with the short ball. Don't get why people are trying to pick him apart or denigrate his achievements?

[TangoWhiskey]

Further to the all rounder argument. Surely if you were picking a World XI so wouldn't really need an All rounder, what with your Batsman and bowlers being the best in the world?

[tushar sehgal]

Further to the all rounder argument. Surely if you were picking a World XI so wouldn't really need an All rounder, what with your Batsman and bowlers being the best in the world?

Even the best fail at times, traditionally all rounders have been picked as they provide value to both batting and bowling but that doesn't mean its required...

[ProCricketer1982]

You are kidding aren't you.  Do you realise out of his 37 wickets 21 were top order batsman (numbers 1-7).  Some of you still don't want to give him the credit he deserves. If you are honest you would acknowledge his bowling was that good.

I didn't think he was that accurate, he sprayed it about a bit but nothing like before. He bowled enough good stuff to get batsmen on the back foot so they weren't picking him off. He bowed bloody well though so well played.


Top order for me is 1-4, middle is 5-7 then tail. No idea what his wickets were but Harris got the good ones out and Johnson blew the tail away

[Manormanic]

I didn't think he was that accurate, he sprayed it about a bit but nothing like before. He bowled enough good stuff to get batsmen on the back foot so they weren't picking him off. He bowed bloody well though so well played.

He didn't bowl as well as his figures suggest, no - Harris was the better of the two but couldn't blow the tail away in quite the same way. 

[cricketbadger]

He didn't bowl as well as his figures suggest, no - Harris was the better of the two but couldn't blow the tail away in quite the same way.

Agreed Harris was and is by far the better bowler, knows what he's doing with the ball and has the control.

Johnson just uses his pace to frighten and rush the oppo. He did bowl some pretty good accurate short stuff at times though. And the short ball barrage then got him the wickets when he occasionally pitched the ball up, trapping batsmen on the back foot half anticipating a short ball, so lacking any forward footwork.