Topic: Trigger movement - debate never ends (Read 7357 times)

cricketbadger · « **Reply #30 on:** January 13, 2014, 12:56:46 PM »

had the bowling machine at 88 in the past and don't even have time for a trigger aha

uknsaunders · « **Reply #31 on:** January 13, 2014, 01:15:39 PM »

Quote from: Bulldog Cricket on January 12, 2014, 07:21:11 PM

There is a good bit somewhere by Duncan fletcher and trescothick about using a trigger to spin bowling. It's a very good read.

Yes to do with Buses!

If you know the Bus is coming, you don't want to be late for it. You might as well be early or something to that effect. What Fletcher was on about, and I am to a certain extent, is certain movements help in certain situations. Getting early onto the front foot isn't a stupid idea, as long as the movement doesn't cause timing or balance issues. ie. the forward press. Likewise if somebody bowls 80% of your deliveries half way down the deck then clearly a back and across movement would be an advantage, so long as you can still move forward for the sucker punch ball. In these cases I wouldn't call them a trigger, more a response to what you are playing against and a method to combat it. They are temporary adjustments for a situation and against the average trundle would be discarded. The problem about adding a trigger is you lose the flexibility to do something like that. Imagine if you have a forward trigger but you are facing somebody you should really be going back to, the feet would be all over the shop lol

GarrettJ · « **Reply #32 on:** January 13, 2014, 02:19:17 PM »

Quote from: cricketbadger on January 13, 2014, 12:56:46 PM

had the bowling machine at 88 in the past and don't even have time for a trigger aha

And this is the problem ..... A total misunderstanding of the trigger.

You should be able to trigger to someone bowling 500mph as it should be done BEFORE release. Bowling machines aren't great for those that trigger as the timing can result in it being a little to early.

English people aren't famous for playing spin .... maybe the forward press is the problem?

brokenbat · « **Reply #33 on:** January 13, 2014, 02:22:24 PM »

yeah flexibility seems to be key. Michael Clarke changed his triggers after being bounced out by Broad in the first Ashes test. It is mentioned here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VchcUUxvkHo

I didn't even think Clarke had a trigger, but I watched the replays, and sure enough, he switched from a subtle press forward, to a back and across move the first few balls he faced from Clarke in the second innings (Gabba).

cricketbadger · « **Reply #34 on:** January 13, 2014, 02:34:34 PM »

Quote from: GarrettJ on January 13, 2014, 02:19:17 PM

And this is the problem ..... A total misunderstanding of the trigger.

You should be able to trigger to someone bowling 500mph as it should be done BEFORE release. Bowling machines aren't great for those that trigger as the timing can result in it being a little to early.

English people aren't famous for playing spin .... maybe the forward press is the problem?

not really interested in the whole trigger discussion, I don't fuss over it

was just being light hearted. 88 was too quick for me to do anything

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #35 on:** January 13, 2014, 02:50:46 PM »

Quote from: ItsJustCricket on January 12, 2014, 01:54:17 PM

I now stand about a foot away from my usual guard (leg stump) and trigger in to leg stump while the bowler is running in. I am consequently backing away much less and seem to have improved my balance. Haven't batted in a match with this trigger yet, but the form has improved in the nets, so if anyone else has the same problem, I definitely recommend this trigger!

Crumbs! Who is your coach? Mike Yardy or Kim Barnett, by the sounds...

Bulldog Cricket · « **Reply #36 on:** January 13, 2014, 07:27:56 PM »

some good stuff here

http://www.alloutcricket.com/player/coaching/aoc-coaching-batting-with-mark-ramprakash

http://www.alloutcricket.com/player/coaching/aoc-coaching-trigger-movements-with-marcus-trescothick

http://www.alloutcricket.com/blogs/sundries/aoc-book-club-the-plan-by-steve-james

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #37 on:** January 14, 2014, 05:33:17 PM »

Something that requires fine tuning, I think. I'm not sure many of us practice enough for achieve this.

Bulldog Cricket · « **Reply #38 on:** January 14, 2014, 06:06:53 PM »

I was coached the back and across trigger from 10 years old by Peter Robinson the ex somerset player and coach. Just practiced and practiced and then it became second nature. Back then it wasn't called a trigger, just coached as the best way to bat and score runs.

brokenbat · « **Reply #39 on:** January 14, 2014, 06:41:53 PM »

I found this to be interesting:


Mike Hussey In The Nets

Hussey in the nets (side view - there are other youtube clips of him with other angles). He doesn't have a trigger, just leans nice and forward, and goes back when forced to. Might be what I try to do more/better of, since its so close to my current style, and also because I realize I simply do not have the time to learn a pre-delivery routine.

Here is another clip of his, describing his footwork:


Michael Hussey Masterclass The Cricket Show 2012 13

Bulldog Cricket · « **Reply #40 on:** January 14, 2014, 08:30:53 PM »

In the first video he clearly has a front foot trigger.

Great clip by the way.

Not watched the second video yet.

brokenbat · « **Reply #41 on:** January 14, 2014, 08:50:58 PM »

hmmm, didn't think that was a "trigger" per se. seemed like he just gets in a forward leaning position, well before the ball is released. In any case, it seemed quite a subtle move.

Bulldog Cricket · « **Reply #42 on:** January 14, 2014, 08:58:43 PM »

If you watch he stands and then when he picks his bat up his front foot triggers forward and then he moves again to play the shot.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #43 on:** January 14, 2014, 09:18:53 PM »

Quote from: Bulldog Cricket on January 14, 2014, 06:06:53 PM

I was coached the back and across trigger from 10 years old by Peter Robinson the ex somerset player and coach. Just practiced and practiced and then it became second nature. Back then it wasn't called a trigger, just coached as the best way to bat and score runs.

"When I started in the 80s, �back and across� was the �in� thing, to get into line with a lot of the quick bowling that was around at the time. But that can lead to other problems, sometimes people�s head goes across too far with their feet � already their upper body is falling to the off side, and it can lead to them playing across straight balls. So I�m very careful not to talk about �back and across� too much."

Mark Ramprakash.

Read more at http://www.alloutcricket.com/player/coaching/aoc-coaching-batting-with-mark-ramprakash#EH4ObKr7XeKkB5te.99

Bulldog Cricket · « **Reply #44 on:** January 14, 2014, 09:27:00 PM »

Still being coached today by majority of county coaches that i have seen. trigger or no trigger, the main thing is to find something that works for you and that helps you score runs. That is after all the aim of batting.

Who did/do you play for Bats ?

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