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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #30 on: February 24, 2014, 07:20:52 AM »

Cook
Robson
Bell
Taylor
Root
Stokes


This is the 6 that were in my thoughts, but I also think that Morgan is in with a shout having 'matured' since his last Test stint and is now an invaluable member of the one day set up. I think it is a case of having a few players for a couple of spots but no outstanding player to fill the void without question.
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2014, 09:46:41 AM »

If Moeen Ali is a good enough spinner along with Root bowling some overs could it be

Cook
Robson
Bell
Root
Morgan
Ali
Stokes
Prior
Broad
Finn
Anderson
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #32 on: February 24, 2014, 10:13:48 AM »

Cook
Robson
Bell
Taylor
Root
Stokes
Is there enough experience there?

forget experience that is the tamest looking batting line up I have seen

To win test matches consistently you need batsmen who can take the game to the opposition.
If you look at the best teams - Bradman's invincibles, Windies in the 80's, Aussies through the late 90s-2000's Vaughan's England team - the Indian team that made it to number one, before they crashed and the Saffers - they all have someone in the top 3 who can take a team apart - even the current aussies have Warner.

We need to have a much better balance of stroke players and blockers - otherwise we let the opposition bowl at us which puts the middle order under too much pressure.

So Cook needs an opening partner who hits boundaries - trescothic style otherwise we will never put the opposition under pressure.

I am not saying these guys aren't good talented players - but no one is going to loose sleep over bowling at them.
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2014, 10:19:06 AM »

Kp to open........ Oh wait.

Morgan won't bat higher than five in t20 so not sure he will in test. I agree with your premise, I just can't see an opener, no.3 out there to suit.


Well lumb hales and wright aren't test class, and Carberry the attacking batsmen, was nearly as slow as root, Compton.



Stokes at 3?
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #34 on: February 24, 2014, 12:39:12 PM »

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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2014, 12:49:57 PM »

The corner stones should be cook to open, bell at 3, prior to keep and bat at 6. Fill the rest of the top 6 as you see fit. Stokes at 7. Then broad, onions and Anderson plus a spinner, either Rashid or Borthwick.
Give Mills a year of lions cricket then get him in for the ashes.
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2014, 12:57:47 PM »

hahaha good one :)

I've noticed you barely offer much insight on the forum. Merely choose to poke fun at others opinions/ideas. Especially taking them out of context to the conversation.

Anyone can edit a quote from a convo and make it look silly. So instead why not try to answer the dilemma buzz put forward. Or are you just interested in earning likes?
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2014, 01:32:13 PM »

Stokes at three is a terrible idea. He has played four Test matches, in which he has shown potential and played one excellent up yours knock. His situation is similar to that of Joe Root 12-15 months ago, when he was painted as the great white hope rather than what he was, a highly promising player who had success on relatively passive pitches in games where he hadn't been required to force the pace.

Root was then thrust into the opening position against the Australians far too quickly and has struggled since, that Lord's knock aside, when he could still have been out very early on. If you look at Stokes, his batting technique is rudimentary and would, against a hard new ball and fresh quicks, probably not stand up to the task more often than not. This would be a sensible appraisal of what he has achieved so far. It is not unlike Flintoff's technique when he started playing Test cricket. Also, Stokes would be required to bowl a good few overs, and young all-rounders have a propensity to either bowl or bat well in a single game - too much of a risk for this for this brave new England.

The person who bats two or three will need to have a grooved game, Trott and Strauss are two examples of people who knew their games inside out and made an instant impact. It's why kolpaks/residency players have often been picked - they have had an enforced period in which to qualify and learn rather than being plucked out like Root and Stokes too early. I would be inclined to look to someone like ... well there isn't an obvious choice at the moment. I think Buzz is painting an ideal of what he would like. I don't think there is anyone ready to go. In that case, I would expect Trott to be welcomed back as soon as possible. The other opener, well, I don't know and haven't really seen anyone (I only really see div 2 stuff live, so wouldn't expect too). So I won't post silly examples.

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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2014, 12:46:13 PM »

Another Ton for Robson. He's banging on that door!

That's 4 tons in his last 5 games.
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2014, 12:52:05 PM »

Another Ton for Robson. He's banging on that door!

That's 4 tons in his last 5 games.

Yeah, he's too busy scoring runs to even bother with Twitter. ;)
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2014, 01:49:39 PM »

He has averaged over 75 in the last 4 games, with 3 tons in those 4 matches!
He's making a strong case for himself!
But am I right in saying that as he has dual nationality (Aus Dad and Eng Mum) that he could still (in theory) play for either side?
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2014, 02:04:33 PM »

He has averaged over 75 in the last 4 games, with 3 tons in those 4 matches!
He's making a strong case for himself!
But am I right in saying that as he has dual nationality (Aus Dad and Eng Mum) that he could still (in theory) play for either side?

He has apparently committed to England on the basis that he wanted to play county cricket as a domestic player rather than as a foreigner where quotas apply.

Early on, he simply would not have got a game as a foreigner as others were better than him.

The last two seasons he has improved out of sight.

He was offered the chance to play First Class cricket in Australia this last summer, but he refused.

So, he is all yours now.
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Re: England Lions in Sri Lanka
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2014, 10:31:38 AM »

He has apparently committed to England on the basis that he wanted to play county cricket as a domestic player rather than as a foreigner where quotas apply.

Early on, he simply would not have got a game as a foreigner as others were better than him.

The last two seasons he has improved out of sight.

He was offered the chance to play First Class cricket in Australia this last summer, but he refused.

So, he is all yours now.

So if he makes the Eng test team in time for the next ashes, what type of reception can he expect?
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