Topic: Is that the end of KP? (Read 22070 times)

FattusCattus · « **Reply #105 on:** February 05, 2014, 09:16:51 AM »

I think there's a difference between being 'individual' and a 'maverick' and being a prize p**ck at times?

The Strauss texts, the Taylor argument, holding the management to ransom over Moores and trying to give up ODI cricket on his own terms, that's more than being a little different.

Why should various captains and coaches have to manage that all the time - they have enough to do. Perhaps he could have got his head down and been flamboyant and individual on the pitch.

smilley792 · « **Reply #106 on:** February 05, 2014, 09:22:41 AM »

Firstly, I don't agree with the Strauss text saga, if ever was a time to get rid of kp, that time was then.

People talk about him being an issue players/personality, and always talk about the same issues, how his ego created them blah blah blah.

Taylor- kp said he's rubbish- hasn't played cricket for England since

Moores - kp said he's rubbish - Moores fired as coach

Etc etc

It's funny there bemoaned, but generally kps point is adhered too?

To me it just looks like kp isn't a yes man, and says what he see's, in and old fashioned short and the kind off world that isn't liked. But his is 2014, we need more people that aren't brown noses, and are willing to say there mind.

Aussie · « **Reply #107 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:00:46 AM »

Say day indeed...... For Peter Siddle. No more easy ASHES wickets!

Byo · « **Reply #108 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:03:55 AM »

Quote from: Red Ink Cricket on February 05, 2014, 08:33:03 AM

Dancing down the track in a test match when your struggling and hitting the ball straight into the waiting trap is just idiotic from a senior player. Sounds like someone getting too overconfident or big for their boots.

Ian Bell did exactly this first ball of his innings - why does he get away without the critisism that KP gets (and its not the first time he has done it??? KP gets more runs than Bell, wins more games than Bell (nothing against Bell just using him as an example) - surely that is what cricket is about??

iand123 · « **Reply #109 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:05:55 AM »

Quote from: Byo on February 05, 2014, 10:03:55 AM

Ian Bell did exactly this first ball of his innings - why does he get away without the critisism that KP gets (and its not the first time he has done it??? KP gets more runs than Bell, wins more games than Bell (nothing against Bell just using him as an example) - surely that is what cricket is about??

Also Bell clearly wants to play IPL cricket by putting himself in the auction, why again is KP singled out for this? He's obviously not done himself many favours at times but i do feel he is criticised unfairly over certain things

Jimmyg · « **Reply #110 on:** February 05, 2014, 10:48:35 AM »

There's no doubt that KP behaves like an idiot a times, on the field and off, but to get rid of someone who is still your best batter in a team that is getting routinely thrashed is bizarre and risky. ECB management and Captain are now effectively saying "we now stand a better change of winning as we have sacked our best batter" and I don't think that stands any scrutiny.

Red Ink Cricket · « **Reply #111 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:10:25 AM »

Quote from: Byo on February 05, 2014, 10:03:55 AM

Ian Bell did exactly this first ball of his innings - why does he get away without the critisism that KP gets (and its not the first time he has done it??? KP gets more runs than Bell, wins more games than Bell (nothing against Bell just using him as an example) - surely that is what cricket is about??

im just using that as an example. the trap was set and to play the shot to a seamer was worse than using your feet against a spinner which i believe bell did ( i may be wrong). for me its a combination of things, not just this playing stupid shots. we are all guilty of that at times but to consistantly play the shot and be a pain in the butt isnt right. Bell wins us alot of games, would we have won the ashes in england without KP ( taking their contribution out) - possibly. without Bell - definitely not.

every player goes through lean patches when they keep getting 'that' ball and every run is a struggle. Prior is a prime example. with the exception of the attacking 60 he got or i think one shot where he lent back on a cut. did he play stupid shots. answer was probably no - he was struggling so trying to get bat on ball. can you say the same for KP? i doubt it. I am not singling him out as alot played stupid shots too but a man of his experience and talent should be doing better.

I have nothing against KP or any other england player but the fact is the whole story and history has lead to his downfall. its not based solely on the last few weeks/ ashes tour.

Everyone moans when he plays a stupid shot or thought he was a complete tool with the various issues but as soon as he is not picked hes an angel and the world is against him. you cant have it both ways and unfortunately you cant please everyone. We are in a similar position as the aussies were a few years ago. losing a few big names and not having anything proven to replace it with. they took a little while to get back on their feet. yes most of there issues was caused by greats retiring but they still had to rebuild. do you want to rebuild now and hope to gain the ashes back or wait for another 1-2 years when he then retires and do it all again.

Buzz · « **Reply #112 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:12:27 AM »

Like Bulldog, I have a suspicion that we will see KP return at some point.

biffa · « **Reply #113 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:16:49 AM »

Ecb have to explain this desicion in full. They owe it to the fans who are expected to pay �80 for test match tickets. As to why one the most talented and exciting English players won't be involved. I'm yet to hear a valid reason for his forced retirement. You can't "reintegrate" someone then drag all the past issues back up again. Has to be fresh reasons

cleanbowled · « **Reply #114 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:35:21 AM »

I won't defend some of the things he has done - but he has been singled out here (and in the past) for no obvious cricketing reason that I can see. If he is not in the future plans, I am not sure I can see too many of the other guys from the recent tour qualify on merit either. Might as well scrap the lot and start anew if that is the logic.

KP has another 3-4 good years at least, so you can't say his age is an issue. Carberry was allowed to debut and he was 33 if i recall correctly.

Byo · « **Reply #115 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:39:32 AM »

Quote from: biffa on February 05, 2014, 11:16:49 AM

Ecb have to explain this desicion in full. They owe it to the fans who are expected to pay �80 for test match tickets. As to why one the most talented and exciting English players won't be involved. I'm yet to hear a valid reason for his forced retirement. You can't "reintegrate" someone then drag all the past issues back up again. Has to be fresh reasons

This is very true - we as the paying public have to have an explanation of the ECB's decision!!! Imagine the uproar if it was decided Rooney (who has a similar capacity to be a bell end) was not going to be picked any more without an explanation....

iand123 · « **Reply #116 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:42:52 AM »

I've allready paid out �120 for two tickets to Lords and was contemplating some tickets to the Oval for the India game too. Of course it wasnt going to watch just KP but not picking their best player (IMO) doesnt sound like the value for money the ECB are charging for these tickets

Kieron_BT · « **Reply #117 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:44:45 AM »

Disgusting decision.

The problem between Cricket and Football is that when a football player causes issues they can just sell that player to another club as there will always be a club thats wants him. This means that the player will still be in the public eye and the public can enjoy his performances. When it comes to cricket and the fact teams are international there is no option just to sell him. I bet if you looked at Australia and England as club teams like football teams Australia would buy KP in a heatbeat because he is what they want, in your face and say what he thinks. Just like Warner, Johnson etc. They would also know how to manage him better!

iand123 · « **Reply #118 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:47:33 AM »

If they wanted rid of him they should have done it with the whole text saga with the SA team back in 2012.

Funny how this team/dressing room wasnt divided when they were winning isn't it?

MD2812 · « **Reply #119 on:** February 05, 2014, 11:48:48 AM »

article on the BBC saying that Cook was part of a 3 man panel who sat down with KP on Monday and was instrumental in his sacking.

I have suspicions that KP may have spoke to cook during the ashes about his captaincy and what he felt the team should be doing and Cook didn't like it.
It was known KP used to say to Flower what he thinks England were doing wrong and what they should do.

Sounds like he sang the wrong song to the captain and coach

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