Topic: Amazing bat making video (Read 13001 times)

Chad · « **Reply #30 on:** February 26, 2014, 06:54:12 PM »

Quote from: yogi206 on February 26, 2014, 11:02:36 AM

If I pay someone to dig a trench out and they charge me more because they say they are going to do it by hand as it is harder work, then go and do it with a JCB and charge me the same money.... i'd be less than impressed....

Except that Rob Pack isn't charging you more for shaping it by hand... (�310 for their top grade compared to �310 for Salix's 3rd in the range) If they say they're going to charge you more because they're doing it by hand, then find someone else to do the job just as well, but cheaper! If you like what they do, then stick with it.

I actually quite liked this video, shows the attention and care that Rob puts into finishing his bats. Makes me want to get a BR with those lovely blue and white stickers!

yogi206 · « **Reply #31 on:** February 26, 2014, 07:31:07 PM »

I know what you mean but then it goes to the age old argument of what does one brand class as a grade 1 and what does another�.. add in to that the cost of machinery premises and space to make the bat from the cleft�.

toenails97 · « **Reply #32 on:** February 26, 2014, 10:14:33 PM »

^ but Rob will have to pay all them bills etc aswell not just Salix. Don't get me wrong I love Salix, the best bat I've used has been one and is still going however I was put off from getting one this year due to the increase in price. Also the fact they're listing �210 for a hits hard which is meant to be grade 2/3. Also I'm not jumping on the fasteddie bandwagon but I do think robs work is good and people swear by blue room on here so they must be good - never had one though!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #33 on:** February 26, 2014, 10:24:33 PM »

Quote from: yogi206 on February 26, 2014, 07:31:07 PM

I know what you mean but then it goes to the age old argument of what does one brand class as a grade 1 and what does another�.. add in to that the cost of machinery premises and space to make the bat from the cleft�.

Salix aren't the good standard by which all are judged. I've got nothing against Salix as my bat is a copy but I suspect grade 1 Salix is the same as grade 1 RPC/Blueroom. Salix are not this mythical brand who have all the best clefts. It is getting tiring. No, I'm not on the fasteddie wagon either but it's ridiculous to write rob off as not doing the full Ish. All his customs are made from his own plantation, meaning he'll have to do the lot.

Someone who chooses to finish but can press and do the full Monty if they wish/need to doesn't mean they have to or that their brand is inferior in any way. I'd match my match bat up against anyone Salix as it's a gun but I'm sure yogi etc would respond with theirs being a gun too. Salix choose to market themselves in one way, just because another brand isn't charging as much could be for many reasons.. No rent to pay? Maybe they don't want to be like everyone else and make max profit? Maybe having his own plantation means his costs are lower than other brands and coupled with no rent costs and not wanting to pay themselves loads means they don't have to charge over the odds. Not aimed at Salix there, could be many brands who charge loads tbh.

People can choose what they want but can we please stop making out Salix know best and everyone wants to be them. Maybe they do.. Maybe they don't. If you want to pay x amount for branding them fair enough but if you don't then it doesn't mean you've missed out at all.

Chad · « **Reply #34 on:** February 26, 2014, 11:53:23 PM »

Quote from: yogi206 on February 26, 2014, 07:31:07 PM

I know what you mean but then it goes to the age old argument of what does one brand class as a grade 1 and what does another�.. add in to that the cost of machinery premises and space to make the bat from the cleft�.

Then you could argue that the JCB tractor cost a fair amount to hire/buy, hence the pricing! As to the grading, Rob knows his stuff, and if you're suggesting that his top grade isn't graded to the same standard as Salix, I'd suggest you look through some of the Blue Room bats here.

I like Salix and RP, so not having a dig (No pun intended) at all, just thought I would use it as an example. Look at the Kudos SPS too, crafted in the same way RP makes his stock shaped bats, except �80-100 more expensive. Now, we can sit here and argue about prices, or just face it, stickers and brand strength sells bats, and are the reason why these three bat makers, despite them being some of the best in the trade, demand different prices.

tushar sehgal · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2014, 12:36:56 AM »

I have 2 favorite bats right now that I own and they both don't allow me to use anyother, Salix Torque and BR LE. I have also had the best bat ever which was made by Rob, as for how these bats are made? I thought they were hand made by Rob and I am certain RPC are, for BR range I don't know. I agree a bat making video should be about making a bat so maybe its more terminology issue as this isn't a bat making video and that's my only criticism. I believe Rob makes a mean bat, I thought they were all hand made but if they are not then so be it.

Considering Salix hold themselves in such high regard, deservedly so, people associated with them should not be criticizing other brands... Just seems a little below them...

yogi206 · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2014, 07:11:28 AM »

I wasn't criticizing any other brand or criticizing RP or BR in anyway, I'm not holding Salix in some mythical regard either, I know they make top bats as do many others. People will always pay what they are happy to pay, I have had great performing grade 2/3 equally I have had great players grade bats, I wasn't commenting on any particular brand as I said.

But as many others have said already this isn't bat making and I made the same comment

GDP1964 · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2014, 08:13:17 AM »

WOW the JCB is making its mark: The JCB may cost a bit more to hire than a pick and shovel at the start but when you work out time taken and units ( as in clefts machined ) against meters dug by hand I think you will find the JCB out performs and reduces costs quite considerably. The demand for English Willow cricket bats WORLD WIDE is increasing on a daily basis the manufactures have to find ways of increasing productivity with out losing quality and part machined clefts will be the road 90% of bat makers will have to follow in order to stay alive does this mean they are not true bat makers I think not forward thinking bat makers YES.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2014, 08:19:44 AM »

I suppose it's the nature of msgs,emails,txts whatever, that comments posted on here, sometimes get twisted onto other issues.

It would appear there is a lot of brand loyalty on here from some

My point was purely on the video title being slightly misleading
Still a cracking video, from a top batmaker

trypewriter · « **Reply #39 on:** February 27, 2014, 09:01:15 AM »

It did cross my mind that maybe he HAD already got the bats to that stage himself and just wanted to show the bits that people might find more interesting?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #40 on:** February 27, 2014, 02:38:21 PM »

Quote from: trypewriter on February 27, 2014, 09:01:15 AM

It did cross my mind that maybe he HAD already got the bats to that stage himself and just wanted to show the bits that people might find more interesting?

That is exactly what crossed my mind first too. 99% of normal people probably couldn't care less what a cleft is like etc.

procricket · « **Reply #41 on:** February 27, 2014, 05:24:24 PM »

I have my favourite brand but come on take the blinkers off man

Quality maker no doubt as good as any no doubt

It is a poor do when we start knocking quality because we have a vested intrest elsewhere

Like the video more importantly my mate does who is thinking of getting one

ProWannabe88 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 04, 2014, 08:39:17 AM »

There's a lot of the initial process missing from that video....RP uses some pre shaped and some raw clefts. It depends entirely on the finished good that is required. Stock shapes from Blueroom are pre shaped as it saves time for RP - he is a lone gun remember. Bespoke stuff tends to be all from Raw cleft. Unless the customer sees a pre shaped or a part made and wants that instead of going from scratch with a piece of willow. He does fit the handles, this is done in the larger workshop. There are pics on from visits showing the handled bats drying in the racks I anyone cares to look. This video is 'finishing' though, no escaping that.

Love how some get on their high horses regarding CNC and any pre finishing/manufacturing carried out...... Does anybody jump on the big boys for it? I highly doubt it.

Supply and demand, If the demand is high RP will use a CNC as most other brands do anyway. Saves time and allows him to keep up with the demand for shelf items.

If you get chance pop down and just have a look around. Before it was very heavily hand made biased with bat stocks and Blueroom bats were in much smaller quantities. Now its more of an even balance between the 2 I'd say.

My LE was from what you guys call a 'part made' or 'pre shaped' cleft - no real details on the profile, it was simply a large cleft cut down into the general 'this looks like a cricket bat' shape and is a fantastic bat. My RPC and two other bats I have were handmade - all brilliant.

Northern monkey · « **Reply #43 on:** March 04, 2014, 06:21:29 PM »

Im sure I speak for most on here, when I say, really appreciate bat makers taking the time to post any videos on here
look forward to future vids

Tom · « **Reply #44 on:** March 04, 2014, 06:33:54 PM »


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