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[WalkingWicket37]

remind me who was the top run scorer in the 2013 ashes? remind me who is the highest test match run scorer?

David Warner and Sachin Tendulkar?

[ppccopener]

hear what you are saying pro cricketer...here's one thing to consider. you are all bound together playing for England, not from England, playing for England, the bloke sitting next to you has caused so much aggravation and is such a bad influence you cant stand the bloke. ***let's presume for a min that is true***

At what point do you say 'enough is enough' this bloke is un-manageable, a bad influence and cannot get on with his colleagues.

Are you saying(presuming it's true that is) that it's the managements role to manage the player and totally forget what sort of personaility he is?

if you look back thru football,when Cantona moved from Leeds to Man U he was described as 'un-manageable' -he wasn't and turned Man U into a force.Ferguson managed him.
Just so I/we can understand you points on here about KP

Is that where you are coming from? KP is a talent and a loose cannon...manage him or get someone in who can manage him?
is that your bottom line
 

[uknsaunders]

hear what you are saying pro cricketer...here's one thing to consider. you are all bound together playing for England, not from England, playing for England, the bloke sitting next to you has caused so much aggravation and is such a bad influence you cant stand the bloke. ***let's presume for a min that is true***

At what point do you say 'enough is enough' this bloke is un-manageable, a bad influence and cannot get on with his colleagues.

Are you saying(presuming it's true that is) that it's the managements role to manage the player and totally forget what sort of personaility he is?

if you look back thru football,when Cantona moved from Leeds to Man U he was described as 'un-manageable' -he wasn't and turned Man U into a force.Ferguson managed him.
Just so I/we can understand you points on here about KP

Is that where you are coming from? KP is a talent and a loose cannon...manage him or get someone in who can manage him?
is that your bottom line
 

Yes, it happens every day. You can't choose your work colleagues and I bet you don't like some of them?

[ppccopener]

youre right I don't. I don't like some of the muppets at my cricket club either.

[WalkingWicket37]

youre right I don't. I don't like some of the muppets at my cricket club either.

I play with 7 Kevin Pietersens and 3 Dave "I'll punch you in the head" Warners every week so I know the feeling! 

[joeljonno]

Dropped on merit? The bloke was the leading run scorer in last series he played for his country.
As for fitness that's not a reason to permanently drop him. Send him away on a break, miss a series or two while the knee heals and get him back in when fit again if he warrants selection.

I know I've stated he won't play again (the ECB have made as much clear) but I do feel sorry for the bloke. At the end of the day he was treated like (No Swearing Please) by his employer, and had it been a "real world job" he'd probably have a very good case for constructive dismissal.

Dismissal under 'some other substantial reason'.

He brought it on himself with all the previous issues he's had. He is hardly an innocent party in all this.


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[ProCricketer1982]

hear what you are saying pro cricketer...here's one thing to consider. you are all bound together playing for England, not from England, playing for England, the bloke sitting next to you has caused so much aggravation and is such a bad influence you cant stand the bloke. ***let's presume for a min that is true***

At what point do you say 'enough is enough' this bloke is un-manageable, a bad influence and cannot get on with his colleagues.

Are you saying(presuming it's true that is) that it's the managements role to manage the player and totally forget what sort of personaility he is?

if you look back thru football,when Cantona moved from Leeds to Man U he was described as 'un-manageable' -he wasn't and turned Man U into a force.Ferguson managed him.
Just so I/we can understand you points on here about KP

Is that where you are coming from? KP is a talent and a loose cannon...manage him or get someone in who can manage him?
is that your bottom line
 

yes. Isn't that what a good man manager would do?? Fergie managed it with Roy Keane, Cantona etc. Just shows, if you have the right coach then it'll be fine. This is professional sport, it doesn't matter if KP gets on with Broad off the field. Be Pro's, on the field play well, off the field I couldn't give a crap if they share a beer/meal or never speak to each other! I cant' stand half the people at my work, most are idiots who think they are clever and tick boxers, so unless I have to speak to them I completely ignore them. does it affect work? no.

Gill and warne hated each other, yet on the field you'd never have guessed.

[joeljonno]

yes. Isn't that what a good man manager would do?? Fergie managed it with Roy Keane, Cantona etc. Just shows, if you have the right coach then it'll be fine. This is professional sport, it doesn't matter if KP gets on with Broad off the field. Be Pro's, on the field play well, off the field I couldn't give a crap if they share a beer/meal or never speak to each other! I cant' stand half the people at my work, most are idiots who think they are clever and tick boxers, so unless I have to speak to them I completely ignore them. does it affect work? no.

Gill and warne hated each other, yet on the field you'd never have guessed.

But football teams don't go on multi-month tours all the time.

Could you go and be in close contact with all those you hate/that hate you for 4 months non-stop?


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[uknsaunders]

Don't think Gilly and Slates were mates either, so the urban myth goes.

[ProCricketer1982]

Dismissal under 'some other substantial reason'.

He brought it on himself with all the previous issues he's had. He is hardly an innocent party in all this.


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whta about Broad and the KP account?? that's unacceptable surely?/ grounds certainly for dismissal

Prior, anderson, swann...

Cooks been aweful

all these deserve to have been fired just as much as KP. THAT is why I'm so against the ECB and am on KP's side.. not because I think KP is right or is the saviour but because of the way it's one rule for one, one rule for another, the way it was managed, the lack of responsibility the ECB clowns showed and are still showing, the 'outside' cricket type comments they keep doing..

[ProCricketer1982]

But football teams don't go on multi-month tours all the time.

Could you go and be in close contact with all those you hate/that hate you for 4 months non-stop?


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I've been to war in a team of 8, when I hated 2 of them, disliked 2 others and only had 1 that I'd call a friend.. so yes, it can be done quite easily. Only reason you wouldn't is if you are mentally weak or a cry baby

[WalkingWicket37]

Dismissal under 'some other substantial reason'.

He brought it on himself with all the previous issues he's had. He is hardly an innocent party in all this.


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He wasn't by any means totally blameless, but they had every opportunity to sack him for previous incidents and didn't.
No matter which way you look at this the whole thing is farcical.

[ProCricketer1982]

the whole thing is farcical.

It is completely farcical, damaging to the ECB especially and English cricket as a whole. However, I'm not in the 'move on' camp purely because of the way the ECB acted and continue to act. They do not deserve to be let of the hook, the whole lot (not just whittikar, downton and co) need to resign (or fired, depending which means they don't get a pay out/bonus/pension)

[FattusCattus]

whta about Broad and the KP account?? that's unacceptable surely?/ grounds certainly for dismissal

Prior, anderson, swann...

Cooks been aweful

all these deserve to have been fired

Blimey! Your Alan Sugar you are!

[ProCricketer1982]

Blimey! Your Alan Sugar you are!
[/quotpeople are paid to take responsibility.. that means when it goes wrong  you carry the can. modern world people want the pay for it but when it goes wrong dont take responsibility