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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #45 on: March 06, 2014, 07:26:05 AM »

This topic again I love it.

I love this forum for the fact I use Cnc made bats and I had people saying they couldn't believe it.  Yet I asked what thy used they would say brand x and they where using a Cnc made without knowing it.

For quality control and consistent shapes quicker why wouldn't they it a basic model.

Times have moved if somebody is selling quite a number of bats and is not based in Asian then unless they have a work force of batmakers your answer need not to be answered


For peoples information a bat is a bat and I'm rather partial to a Asian bat as well.

Stop seeing things so clear cut as Cnc or handmade the lines are much more blurred

I see people are not asking or ever have if it copy laith made another red herring
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2014, 07:47:03 AM »

I see people are not asking or ever have if it copy laith made another red herring

Duncan Fearnley we're doing that in the 1970's and I bet no one cared one bit.
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2014, 07:56:58 AM »

My northern two pennies worth,

With the availability of forums,tinternet, etc, we like to think we are a little bit more informed regarding our purchases,
But unfortunately this information can also appear to be slightly twisted at times, hence the slight mis trust is created.

I've been stung with false stickered bats off eBay , bought £300 planks from so called reputable shops , etc
I'm sure unfortunately I'm not alone

Hence my interest in where a bat is made and hopefully how it's made.

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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2014, 08:43:58 AM »

Handmade or machine made or a bit of both? Hunts have used copy lathes for ages, as have fearnley. Is that not machine making a bat? Why is it different to CNC?

Fundamentally, while it might help you to determine the chances of a better or worse bat, you can get good and bad bats from most makers. I think we've had this conversation a million times, and we've always come back to the point that even if you go and pick a bat from a shop, you can't guarantee it will work how you want it to. Frankly, I think this says it all...

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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2014, 08:55:50 AM »

Handmade or machine made or a bit of both? Hunts have used copy lathes for ages, as have fearnley. Is that not machine making a bat? Why is it different to CNC?

Fundamentally, while it might help you to determine the chances of a better or worse bat, you can get good and bad bats from most makers. I think we've had this conversation a million times, and we've always come back to the point that even if you go and pick a bat from a shop, you can't guarantee it will work how you want it to. Frankly, I think this says it all...





what he said...
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #50 on: March 06, 2014, 09:01:35 AM »

My final thoughts if you can't spot a Cnc made bat then why do you need to know  is it that some people pay 150-200 pound more for the same bat but with a different sticker.

There no riddles with my bats I know the pesky little doctor who makes them.
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #51 on: March 06, 2014, 09:05:48 AM »

If its boring you read another topic. Its been a good read for me with some knowledgable input from a select few.

People have the right to know where their products are grown, manufactured, how they are transported etc if they so wish. Dont see a problem in asking questions before you choose where to spend your money.

Whoever used the milk in the supermarket analogy - not the brightest reference point as half the nation has been dining on failed Irish racehorses for the past decade. I would have thought now more than ever people should find out the providence of their food

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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #52 on: March 06, 2014, 09:14:51 AM »

Can I ask a slightly different question on this subject.

If a firm outsources the making of their bats to another firm (their business not mine) - is it right that that outsourcing firm is selling their IP and bat shapes to another firm to sell on?

For example - Blank Bats created a really great shape a couple of seasons ago for one of their bat models and that shape is now the newbery mjolner.

I am not the bastion of ethical behaviour, so I wont cast the first stone here - but I will ask the question.
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #53 on: March 06, 2014, 09:22:18 AM »


Provenance is the key word and (some) consumers are becoming more fussy / demanding about this.

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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #54 on: March 06, 2014, 09:27:34 AM »

To the punter on the street, in Taunton, by M&H

Asked previously, more than once and not responded, so where are M&H bats made?  Seems a reasonable question, I interpret from responses for the average punter your best not to know!?  I thought this forum was about educating and sharing information amongst cricket fans? 

Regardless, I'd like a M &H Amplus,
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #55 on: March 06, 2014, 09:31:34 AM »

Alba, it's not so much that I care who makes Slazenger bats - I don't, and I've had a number of good ones. It's that with every manufacturer of bats we are asking the same questions over and over, and there seems to be little to no insight.

This forum is very rare in that it tends to the end of the scale where people buy bats and don't use them very much, then sell them. In the real world, people buy a bat and use it till it breaks or dies, then buy another. Every net/match I've ever been to, the only bag with as many bats in it as mine is usually the team bag...

While we care about the provenance of a bat, for better or worse, because we think it is the indicator of whether it is any good, the reality is that for UK made bats there are perhaps fewer than half a dozen makers manufacturing cricket bats in bulk in the UK for theirs and other brands. You can probably name them, and it's no secret. It's commercially up to them and the brand whether they allow their name to be used in marketing.

We've done this subject to death many times, and the reality is, if it makes commercial sense, there is nothing wrong with it. If a brand tells you it is made in the UK, and it is, that's fine. If a brand lies, it's not. You should buy a UK made bat on a bat shape that you like at a price point you want to pay and feel assured that even if it is made by one of these "outsourcers", they all make exceptional cricket bats.

If you want something that isn't UK made, you know where to go for those too. And once again, the quality is generally as good as the UK made bats.

On Buzz's point, it's down to the commercials agreed between the two parties. If the manufacturer incorporates a clause as part of the deal that affects the purchase price of the bats then where's the problem? It's basically paying less cash up front by paying with IP, and happens a lot in many sectors of industry.
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #56 on: March 06, 2014, 09:40:52 AM »

Can I ask a slightly different question on this subject.

If a firm outsources the making of their bats to another firm (their business not mine) - is it right that that outsourcing firm is selling their IP and bat shapes to another firm to sell on?

For example - Blank Bats created a really great shape a couple of seasons ago for one of their bat models and that shape is now the newbery mjolner.

I am not the bastion of ethical behaviour, so I wont cast the first stone here - but I will ask the question.

That's life - this rule of IP is to get it protected! If Mr CNC has it programmed into his machine as Profile 47 and he has no restrictions on knocking a 47 out then fair enough.

I've read this thread and all I'm going to say is the best bat I've had in the last 15 years was chosen by my wife. She knows nothing about bats, just what I like. I wasn't sure about the pickup but it went like a train.

My Icon+ is a gun and it was CNC'd, as was my Ayrtek. My H4L bats were/are great and they are made by Matt's fair hand. I had an Indian made blank a few years ago and that went like a train. Moral of the story is if it works for you don't get to hung up on the origins.
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2014, 09:51:01 AM »

So really its the people giving uneducated answers that is the problem. Not the people asking the question. I cant get enough of the behind the scenes stuff that Tom and Dave bring to topics like this so a bit unfair to write the subject off as boring

Especially when you were recently commenting on a topic about baking bread Tim  :D
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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #58 on: March 06, 2014, 10:03:51 AM »

Asked previously, more than once and not responded, so where are M&H bats made?  Seems a reasonable question, I interpret from responses for the average punter your best not to know!?  I thought this forum was about educating and sharing information amongst cricket fans? 

Regardless, I'd like a M &H Amplus,

As far as we should be concerned, M&H say their bats are made in Taunton in their workshop, therefore that is where they are made.

A tiny bit of knowledge without knowing the full story is a dangerous thing.

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Re: Who makes Slazenger bats?
« Reply #59 on: March 06, 2014, 10:09:16 AM »

Especially when you were recently commenting on a topic about baking bread Tim  :D
You'd be surprised at the similarities between bread manufacturing and outsourcing and that done by cricket bat manufacturers.... Many parallels...!
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