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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2014, 09:39:23 PM »

Concaving my findings.

Extreme.

Puma at 2.9


Shark at 2.12


Used to keep weight down?

But

Malik at 3lb is still concaved?


Six6 at 3lb not that concaved


B3 at 3.2 slightly concaved. which is a shock as I'm sure I asked for it to be non??


Purist at 2.15 Not a bit of concaving!

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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2014, 09:48:51 PM »

It might be my eyes, but the Purist looks more concaved than the B3 to me.
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2014, 10:02:51 PM »

Spine just looks lower. Not much spine on the six6. Some shocking concaving going on there!

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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2014, 10:19:33 PM »

Why is concaving such a big deal?
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2014, 11:41:01 PM »

Why is concaving such a big deal?
Use the search function...
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2014, 04:26:34 AM »

B&S LE 2.10



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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2014, 06:04:19 AM »

Not the best angle to show it but you should get the idea!






Ahh, my old Kookaburra Ricochet. The whole reason I sold it was for the ridiculous amount of concaving.
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2014, 07:42:01 AM »

Somebody showed me a bat Saturday with the scooping going below the edge. Looked like the edges and the spine were the same height. Think I also saw one similar at vitas.

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Blueroom did a few bats like that 2-3 years ago, where the bottom of the scoop was well below the edge.
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2014, 08:17:02 AM »

Blueroom did a few bats like that 2-3 years ago, where the bottom of the scoop was well below the edge.
I think there were some interesting Kook Recoils in recent times with scooping like that...
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2014, 10:11:55 AM »

Use the search function...
It was a fair question and a slightly more polite response would have been appropriate I think.
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2014, 10:22:07 AM »

Why is concaving such a big deal?

The deal with this is that I know what concaving does and what the point of concaving is.

my point is surely you should know what kind of a player you are and whether concaving will help you or not.

I don't understand why people on here get so worked up with concaving.
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2014, 10:23:04 AM »

I believe the overall issue against, is when the edge is higher than where the concaving I.e the concaving is done to Make a 2.8 bat have 45mm edges, but the spine is only 55mm and the meat between drops to 35mm.



It's a big deal for some(have a look at a few threads regarding custom bats where the ops are adamant they want no concaving, and I don't think they don't understand why)

For others(including me) it's not such a big deal. Some of my bats have it, some don't.

Weight/pick up/rebound are more important factors.

Concaving can apparently help with the pick up off a bat.
But
It also apparently shrinks the sweetspot(beleivable on some bats but not all)


But at the end of the day, you buy a bat to suit your game, and give you confidence. You shouldn't buy a bat to impress a forum.
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2014, 10:30:06 AM »

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=26106.0

Shame the blog isn't there anymore, it was a brilliant piece, but I have the text below:-

Came across this amazing blog and extremely well written so thought Id share it with members here :D

Thought I’d get one done as I will more then likely be out of the blogging loop for a while. Please note this is assuming that the cleft start weights are the same, which they generally are if you making a bat to target weight.

We eat with our eyes

Do you buy cricket bats with your eyes, is the first thing you say when you see a bat, “Look at the size of those edges” and do you hear “40mm edges, oh and it only weights 2lb 8oz” in reply from its proud owner, phenomenal, well is it!

Stuck now, where do I go for the next bit, smoke and mirrors, myths or concaving. Hold on I have a plan….

Smoke and mirrors, myths and traditional vs concaving

See what I did there

TRADITIONAL VS CONCAVING

I won’t say this is the age old question as it is fairly new to the world of cricket in the scheme of things but a question often asked nowadays. Concaving gives you a big edge and traditional doesnt, eating with your eyes again. So what the difference, a quick diagram below.



I suppose you are wondering what that is? Well you should just be able to make out the two styles of cricket bats. What I’ve done is draw some lines joining the two at various heights to show you where the traditional bat would have the same size edges as the concaved bat and where the concaved bat would have the same size edge as the traditional bat. You have to imagine that you are shaving either of them along the edge so the edges match in size.

Ok on the bottom you have the amount of willow behind the face based on its edge size, so for example the concaved bat has a larger width for the orange section then the traditional bat. Then you look at the traditional bat you’ll see the middle the red bit is larger then the concaved bat, the pink bit.

Now if you read that and understood what I trying to say you have probably guessed the next bit. If I concave a bat I get a better edge. Cue another picture




On the traditional bat the orange to green bit shows where it lags behind the concaved bat, oh and I stuck a dirty great box around it Not much hey in the scheme things, you are suppose to be using the middle afterall

So when does the traditional bat start making a name for itself! Cue another one of my special diagrams.



You wont think I was a qualified Mechanical Engineer with these wonderous technical drawings Oh dear concaving isnt fairing well, we’ve got more willow over a large surface area on the traditional bat and as we know Force = mass x acceleration

Below is a close up view, seems the middle – middle [red and pink bits] is over a larger area on the traditional bat as well

http://www.safbats.co.uk/BAT-BLOG/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Diff1_Bat_edges1.jpg

LARGE EDGE = GOOD BAT, MYTH

So what do you reckon of the that 40mm edged bat now, it is food for thought isnt it! Don’t assume that a traditional profile isn’t good because the edge size is small, it will pack some punch.

SMOKE AND MIRRORS

Ok flat faced bats, a flat bat instead of curve gives the impression of a larger edge!

http://www.safbats.co.uk/BAT-BLOG/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/pressrollerr1.jpgPressing differences

I know the flat one is a bit extreme but you get the idea, if you edge a ball it will compress to something similar to the curved faced bat plus you have to knock the edge in, that square edge will to a certain extent sooner rather then later resemble the curved face bat and at least the curve face was pressed to be like that so it shouldn’t of cracked up in the process, smoke and mirrors to give you a big edge?

Also as we know you could shave the edge down a bit from 4.25 inches to something less, Please note this is also done intentionally on some bats not just smoke a mirrors. Then the unscrupulous over dried willow technique, lets make a normal cleft light by taking the moisture out of it.

I think I’ll stop there… on a final please note, this is intended to make you aware of the potential differences between bats and give you a respect for each shape. There are always merits to shapes if you understand the what and why about them. I make both types, traditional and concaved but as with all my bats I understand them they aren’t one dimensional. If I had to make a bat that was ring fenced I’d give it all up.

Thanks All

Andy

Bat Maker / Podshaver originally from Devon

http://www.safbats.co.uk/BAT-BLOG/cricket-bat/cricket-bats-edges-concaving-myths-smoke-and-mirrors
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2014, 10:34:09 AM »

The joys of searching. You finally find the info and either the blog hasn't kept the domain payments, or all the pics have been deleted from the ops photobucket!


Why do people do this!!
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Re: Measuring Concaving
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2014, 10:39:52 AM »

interesting post uknsaunders - but as I said - I know what it is and what it does - the question is WHY do people get worked up about levels of concaving?? :o
 
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