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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2014, 01:27:34 PM »

I honestly thought that was an April fools this morning.....,

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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2014, 02:21:36 PM »

You have to ask, what the hell are they thinking continuing to pick Dernbach too. That's not me being angry, I've gone beyond that, but my mates and I are totally at a loss as to how they can justify picking him. His stats alone make him the worst bowler to ever have played in a coloured shirt, economically speaking. What goes through your mind when you pick him? Someone please answer that question. Beggars belief.
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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2014, 02:23:15 PM »

You have to ask, what the hell are they thinking continuing to pick Dernbach too. That's not me being angry, I've gone beyond that, but my mates and I are totally at a loss as to how they can justify picking him. His stats alone make him the worst bowler to ever have played in a coloured shirt, economically speaking. What goes through your mind when you pick him? Someone please answer that question. Beggars belief.

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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2014, 02:27:22 PM »

You have to ask, what the hell are they thinking continuing to pick Dernbach too. That's not me being angry, I've gone beyond that, but my mates and I are totally at a loss as to how they can justify picking him. His stats alone make him the worst bowler to ever have played in a coloured shirt, economically speaking. What goes through your mind when you pick him? Someone please answer that question. Beggars belief.


Did anyone here pontings comments regarding dernbach? He said something along the lines off "having played with him, and trained with him, he is IMO the best t20 bowler there is, and I'd pick him every time"

I'm not sure if the people within cricket are that bewitched by variety that they'll just pick regardless of stats.
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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2014, 02:28:12 PM »

10 points to you then!

Is it weird that I find it hard to believe he would be picked on being Broad's bezzie pal than actually being someone who can play the sport?

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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2014, 03:16:19 PM »

IN DEFENCE OF DERNBACH

The OBO inbox has not been a particularly happy place for much of the winter, but amid the usual moans and groans, puns, occasional pleas for rain and the always helpful pointers on the inaccuracy of the score, the slowness of the updates and the correct use of the English language, post-Ashes there has been one familiar theme. It pops up after almost every England ODI or T20 team announcement and it echoes on throughout almost every England ODI or T20 game: "Jade Dernbach: why?"

It is, if we avoid the philosophical connotations ("A tree: why?"), a fairly straightforward question. What is it that Surrey's short-form specialist brings to the England team? Why does Dernbach (up until Monday's defeat to the Netherlands at least) pick up such a regular spot in the XI? The case for the prosecution lies in the stats. A record of 31 wickets at an average of 42.19 and an economy rate of 6.35 saw him lose his place in the ODI team in the summer, but it is in T20 that Dernbach is expected to excel. Again the stats are pretty damning: 34 matches, 39 wickets, an (irrelevant?) average of 26.15 and, again, that economy rate: 8.71. Of those to send down 300 balls or more in T20 international cricket, Dernbach is the most expensive. Over the winter he completed his four overs five times in T20 internationals, going for 50, 49, 36, 38 and 42 on those occasions.

With numbers like those, it's no wonder Dernbach comes into the crosshairs of England fans. And the England selectors opted for a Dernbach-less double-spin attack against the Netherlands on Monday (which went well). So the question remains: "Jade Dernbach: why?" In search for an answer, the Spin invited the Surrey director of cricket and former England captain Alec Stewart to put forward the case for the defence.

"The reason selectors will pick anyone is because they believe they are the best to do their relevant jobs for England," he says. "And Jade has been seen over a period of time now as one of the very best white-ball bowlers in Twenty20 cricket both up front and, especially, at the back end of the innings. He bowls those tough overs, up front in the powerplay and then generally the 18th and 20th overs – the toughest times. So the selectors and the captain have seen him do that [for Surrey] and that's why he's earned the right to play for England.

"But if he's bowling these tough overs he is going to be exposed at times, as we saw against South Africa with AB de Villiers – I don't care who was bowling the way AB was playing, with that hand-eye coordination and improvisation, he would've taken anyone to the cleaners.

"Jade will be the first to admit that he hasn't executed all his plans perfectly but there are other bowlers in that team who never bowl the tough overs. Stuart Broad, the captain, is one of England's premier bowlers in Test match cricket, experienced in 50-over cricket and 20-over cricket, but he obviously backs Dernbach ahead of himself to bowl these tough overs.

"That's an endorsement of Jade Dernbach's skills. And Jade is highly skilled. We got to the final of the Twenty20 competition last year on the back of Dernbach and Azhar Mahmood bowling the first four overs of the innings and the last four overs of the innings. The problem is that when you don't quite execute the plans it can go horribly wrong. And when it's the same bloke that is bowling these overs, when it goes wrong he is highlighted.

So why does Dernbach take so much of the fans' flak? "First of all, people just look at the stats without looking at the bigger picture. Because he is the man bowling the tough overs, when it goes wrong he is going to be highlighted. You also throw in the tattoos, the ear-ring – that won't endear him to everyone. He's very much an in-your-face cricketer which is a strength. So I can understand why some people look to the negative side of his game or his personality when they don't know him. He's always been very good for us, he's a tremendous competitor.

"You never know what direction the selectors are going to go in, but what I will say is [if you don't pick Dernbach] you've got to find a replacement. Who is going to be the man to bowl at those stages of the match? Who is going to develop their skills to bowl those overs if they do take Jade out of the firing line? He will be the first to put his hand up and say: 'I want more of it.' He's never ducked a battle in his life."

Of course, you would expect Stewart to back his Surrey charge, but he still makes a valid point. The danger for Dernbach is that he has become a scapegoat for England's T20 problems (of the nine men to have sent down 300 balls for England in T20, Dernbach's economy rate is indeed the worst, but barely one run an over more expensive than, say, Broad and Jimmy Anderson). That England opted not to take Michael Vaughan's perfectly sensible advice to experiment with Dernbach's bowling position against the Netherlands and instead took him out of the firing line completely probably doesn't bode particularly well for the 28-year-old. Not that the two-spinners approach made much difference against the Dutch.

The jury's out. We won't get the verdict until Sri Lanka at The Oval in May, but if an England T20 team enjoy no more success without their inked-up death bowler at what point does the question become: "Jade Dernbach: why not?"
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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2014, 03:36:01 PM »

Dernbach is not a bad bowler, just not found the right mentality for T20i yet.

Personally, I believe he has too many variations and batsmen are playing him from his hand, whereas the better bowlers have a slight variation and the odd other one. I'd put Bresnan in this category too.

If you look at the most expensive T20 bowlers, there are some talented players there. Rampaul, Southee and Oram to note. So it's not talent that is lacking, just a little spark of consistency with a strong regular ball that rarely gets put to the boundary.


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Re: Carberry's interview with The Guardian
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2014, 08:55:26 PM »

A fringe player with an ODI average of 21 wonders why he's not in the team?
His point was that having been there as part of the squad, and having had a decent 2013 domestic limited overs season it was reasonable for him to have been given a go. His frustration was that he wasn't given a answer as to why he wasn't playing considering the team were having a shocker.
An average of 21 in 5 games is a very small sample size to reference.
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