Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
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ProCricketer1982

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2014, 12:38:12 PM »

Buying a bat on grade alone is an exercise in vanity.

Or for 90% of the Cricket playing public the only way they know to judge a bat so are ripped off because of limited knowledge.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #16 on: May 01, 2014, 12:49:36 PM »

Isn't grading more for the batmaker to promote his/her bats? i.e. GN charging £500 for player grade!  :o
Personally I don't care about the grade, I like to find a quality bat maker and try his /her bats and buy at a cost I'm happy to pay. If it's G3 (on looks), but goes like a train, i'll take it :)
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2014, 12:57:33 PM »

Grading to me is just a tool is differentiate between good looking and ugly bats. It provides no assistance for picking a bat that performs for the owner (each to their own and what not). As a student with a bat buying habit, I have never considered buying a grade 1 bat at full RRP as lower grades offer the same 'potential' performance at a much better value for money.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2014, 12:57:51 PM »

How can anyone say a bat goes like a train or has amazing ping before its knocked in for a decent period of time and USED IN SEVERAL MATCHES/NETS ... absolutely baffles me. Its easy to say a bat is dead I know that but very few are dead from a reputable bat maker.

People bang the middle a few times with a mallet.... this is PINGTASTIC etc etc .... 3 months later after using it and realising its not right weight wise or handle wise ....... its up for sale.

Mental this place is at times.

I have had 1 bad bat in 20 years (had about 10 in this time) and most were not top of the line, I do however knock my bats in for months and give a bat at least half a season before commenting on its performance.

I'll take a bat with knots as long as it isnt around the middle of the playing area and has say 8 grains or more (upto say 15)

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2014, 01:09:29 PM »

Not really, people tie grade to performance. Grade vs Price is seen as the value of the bat. Gradins

When you purchase a bike, you look at the spec - what material is the frame made from? What brakes does it have? What weight is it? The price is largely ignored, with the spec driving the perceived value of the thing. You compare specs, and find what you think is a well priced product.

With a cricket bat, there isn't much to go on. Grading is about the only spec going, it's important for internet sales - but it's a shame we haven't found anything better. Perhaps this is why people focus on edge size, or spine height. It's another way of perceiving how it will perform.

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I made a post similar to this a few months back:

"I don't think unique, organic products such as cricket bats are particularly suited to the traditional way of ecommerce sales. It leads to posts like this, where uneducated buyers attempt to perceive the value of a product - when actually, that just isn't really possible.

Cricket bats are unique. No two are the same. It's impossible to compare these things on paper, really. And it's a shame we haven't in 2014 found a better way to do these things than attempting to categorise these unique pieces of wood into 4 very ill-defined categories. Which really don't actually mean anything. It leads to baffling things, such as 'G2 Bleached Willow' or G1+++ Super pro.

If you want to compare the true value of a cricket bat, pick them up, smash them with a mallet, swing them around your local store, whatever you need to do to identify that bat is right for you. But attempting to compare a non-scientific product, with simple price metrics just isn't possible."

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2014, 01:10:01 PM »


How can anyone say a bat goes like a train or has amazing ping before its knocked in for a decent period of time and USED IN SEVERAL MATCHES/NETS ... absolutely baffles me. Its easy to say a bat is dead I know that but very few are dead from a reputable bat maker.

People bang the middle a few times with a mallet.... this is PINGTASTIC etc etc .... 3 months later after using it and realising its not right weight wise or handle wise ....... its up for sale.

Mental this place is at times.

I have had 1 bad bat in 20 years (had about 10 in this time) and most were not top of the line, I do however knock my bats in for months and give a bat at least half a season before commenting on its performance.

I'll take a bat with knots as long as it isnt around the middle of the playing area and has say 8 grains or more (upto say 15)

I agree with you. I bought a bat last season, knocked it in for a couple of hours (pre prepared), still goes and pings nicely after a season. Found out it picked up heavy, but I put on another grip and it picks up as light as my harrow.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2014, 02:18:59 PM »

Although i agree with what's been posted already, i personally do not like  using ugly bats  my preference is a white willow straight grain bat that will pickup nice and perform well.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2014, 03:01:05 PM »

It's a difficult one to market a bat from an e-commerce point of view. When I previously tried did it I tried to make it as simple and straight forward for the customer which had a good response, as I was grading my bats solely on the looks of the willow(determined by the amount of (even)grains on the blade) - which in theory should give the best indication on how the bat performs.

As previously stated, every bat has the potential to perform after knocking/playing in etc... I was confident that the bats were pressed to a very good standard and I stated many times via marketing channels that the 'better the grade' should give 'better performance', especially in the early stages of usage.

I've always been a vindicator of having some official laws being made up for the quality of bats, especially with the RRP prices continuing to increase.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2014, 03:03:51 PM »

Because the bat in my thread is classed as grade 1+

That deserves to be named and shamed - I'd send it back if I were you
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2014, 03:09:20 PM »

If buying online it could potentially install confidence that you're getting a better bat.

In store it should make a difference, pick a few bats up, which one feels the best.

The only thing I could consider would be the time and care put into the making of the bat.

If you had 1 hour to make 2 cricket bats. One will sell for £300 one for £180. Do you devote 30 mins to each bat? Or does the £300 bat get more attention?

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2014, 03:22:15 PM »

If buying online it could potentially install confidence that you're getting a better bat.

In store it should make a difference, pick a few bats up, which one feels the best.

The only thing I could consider would be the time and care put into the making of the bat.

If you had 1 hour to make 2 cricket bats. One will sell for £300 one for £180. Do you devote 30 mins to each bat? Or does the £300 bat get more attention?

Every bat we make has the same time and care put into it bar a bespoke which takes time to design.

On the topic because people want the best or perceived best most will not give it time to be the best either.

I tend to use a bat till it breaks and find lower grades do last longer but found people talk about pressing a bat as key but what people forget is the natural stiffness of the blade before pressing. Stiffness is what people want for performance and it is not gradeable by any looks.

In the past 12 months i have had some of the biggest players in the games pass through my hands not all work big not all where 20 grain wonders most had a tiny blemish on but all pinged the ball and felt so stiff in the blade with no give not like a trampoline but like a conductive metal rod.

I know looks have as much to do with a bat as fish with breasts it a wife tale like the straight grains going threw the toe.

But if you like that kind of thing go for it and why not you pay your money for what you want.

Bats are a simple subject people complicate it
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2014, 06:01:24 PM »

Because the bat in my thread is classed as grade 1+
You cannot be serious...
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2014, 06:13:57 PM »

Correct me if I am wrong as up until I discovered this forum a few months back I was an ignorant fool who bought bats online or asked people to get some with zero knowledge what I'd be getting.

From what I have read on the forum so far.

1. Knots in a bat cause an increase in weight.
2. Heartwood would also increase the weight and based on some posts also prone to breaking on part where there is heartwood.
3. High number straight grains (usually associated with Grade 1) means the bat would open up much quicker.

Considering all this if you get a grade 1 bat without a blemish and good 12 straight grains has potential to be lighter (or have more wood in the middle) and open up quicker compared to a grade 3 or a butterfly with the same dimensions/volume.

Don't kill me if I got all that wrong.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2014, 07:55:09 PM »

How soon a  a bat opens up also depends on how hard it has been pressed.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2014, 08:15:12 PM »

I was talking with one of the lads I coach about this yesterday. He has been going through Spartans like nobody's business (he is on his fourth since the middle of last season), and from looking at some of them, I would question the grading. I would assume that manufacturers use the same gradings for junior and senior bats, but I have never seen a grade 1 seniors bat which has an enormous knot in the edge which was about 1.5cm across! Others that he has gone through have also, in my humble opinion, been somewhat questionable as to whether they should have been grade 1.
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