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Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« on: May 01, 2014, 11:47:06 AM »

Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?

Just a question - when you buy a bat, you are the one with the money - you can choose whether or not to buy the bat.

The manufactures job is to sell bats at different price points where they feel the bat provides value for money based on intangibles - looks, performance and pickup - all of which are different for every player.

Yet on here members get terribly worked up about it!! Like the Aldred butterfly thread - when Paul introduced two levels of butterfly willow - he is the manufacturer - yet members jumped all over it.

Beauty remains in the eye of the beholder - when you part with your money you usually know what you are buying and unless you are just buying for the stickers then does it matter?

We see on here that an ungainly looking butterfly bat can outperform a 14 ruler straight grain white willow beauty... And a bat being used by Michael Clarke or Ian Bell will (depressingly) score more runs that the same bat being used by me.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2014, 11:52:55 AM »

I think there is a search going on for a bat that doesnt exist, the holy grail of bats. Foward defensive. . . . . . .Woosh. . .Six!!!

Maybe if we put the same time and effort into playing in and using the bat, we may just be pleasantly suprised.

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2014, 11:54:42 AM »

I personally care about grading because I fear makers/retailers are 99.9% of the time, just looking to make the most they can. If that means making a ugly bat a grade 1/2 and saying it's based on 'performance', or saying 'ah, but there are not guidelines so we can do what we want', then to me they are just saying 'pay up or shut up'.


While people then turn around saying 'ah, so just go somewhere else then, market forces blah blah'... does that really work?? no.. You know as well as I do that all that happens is people just keep raising the prices and boom.. suddenly we the consumer are paying more and more and there is nothing you can do about it.

That's why I get annoyed when I see bats that don't seem value for money BUT it is a personal opinion and I suspect most people don't care and merely care about telling people 'I payed £300 for this, it must be better than yours'.
Each to their own, but this is what retailers thrive off as these are the customers to target and cash in.

(not saying it's any one retailers fault, just the way our western economies are now. All about the profit and not about actually providing genuine competition. we all want to earn 100k a year for doing feck all and that's what business leaders are aiming for.. max profit for as little work as possible.)
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2014, 11:57:12 AM »

No, the Holy Grail does exist - oddly though, only when I'm bowling!
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2014, 11:58:53 AM »

Any form of consistency as what I am going to get for my money comes from the hope the grading is accurate, a lot of business is moving online, you can't judge rebound or pick up online so only hope you have is atleast my bat is going to look like an G1/G2/G3 as thats what I paid for. So when you get these horrendous looking G1, Players or whatever else you want to call them it does annoy. People like me have only got Grading to go on and nothing else, so yes it matters significantly.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2014, 11:59:40 AM »

To me, grading is just a way of determining the price of the bat.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2014, 12:11:07 PM »

To me, grading is just a way of determining the price of the bat.

so you'd happily pay £300 quid for a G1 bat for it to turn up with 'marks' all over it? Pull the other one. As for performance, we've been told before that you can't grade on it so that side is just marketing.

Grading is what is used to determine the price of a bat and that's why people don't like it when things are sold as G1 when it's G2, or G2 when it's G3.. That's just someone trying to make a fast buck by ripping off the consumer. Once you've paid for it, the fact there are no 'rules' means you can't exactly send it back as the retailer will probably give you the legal speal about it. again, not saying that some won't happily exchange etc.. just that really, it shouldn't be an issue if people graded to a set of rules and people didn't try and con each other.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2014, 12:11:54 PM »

To me, grading is just a way of determining the price of the bat.

I think this comment sums it up nicely.

My opinion is that grading to me is more important when buying a bat blind, you cant check the pick up or performance so have to base your decision on looks alone. Over the last few years I've been less hung up on looks, as long as its pressed well I'm happy.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2014, 12:13:03 PM »

Grading is important because it is used by the majority to identify comparable bats.
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2014, 12:18:07 PM »

Grading is important because it is used by the majority to identify comparable bats.
Wouldn't price do that just as effectively?
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2014, 12:21:35 PM »

Not really, people tie grade to performance. Grade vs Price is seen as the value of the bat.

When you purchase a bike, you look at the spec - what material is the frame made from? What brakes does it have? What weight is it? The price is largely ignored, with the spec driving the perceived value of the thing. You compare specs, and find what you think is a well priced product.

With a cricket bat, there isn't much to go on. Grading is about the only spec going, it's important for internet sales - but it's a shame we haven't found anything better. Perhaps this is why people focus on edge size, or spine height. It's another way of perceiving how it will perform.

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I made a post similar to this a few months back:

"I don't think unique, organic products such as cricket bats are particularly suited to the traditional way of ecommerce sales. It leads to posts like this, where uneducated buyers attempt to perceive the value of a product - when actually, that just isn't really possible.

Cricket bats are unique. No two are the same. It's impossible to compare these things on paper, really. And it's a shame we haven't in 2014 found a better way to do these things than attempting to categorise these unique pieces of wood into 4 very ill-defined categories. Which really don't actually mean anything. It leads to baffling things, such as 'G2 Bleached Willow' or G1+++ Super pro.

If you want to compare the true value of a cricket bat, pick them up, smash them with a mallet, swing them around your local store, whatever you need to do to identify that bat is right for you. But attempting to compare a non-scientific product, with simple price metrics just isn't possible."
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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2014, 12:22:57 PM »

Because the bat in my thread is classed as grade 1+

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2014, 12:31:59 PM »

Because the bat in my thread is classed as grade 1+

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2014, 12:34:07 PM »

Because the bat in my thread is classed as grade 1+

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Re: Why do we care so much about the grading on a bat?
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2014, 12:34:48 PM »

Grading, as per Wrights, is a cosmetic measure.

As such we can gain a number of assumptions.
1) We want the best looking bat to a) show off b) feel good
2) We want to pay the highest price our ego will allow
3) The makers need something by which to uniformly pin a pricing structure to.
4) We can 'feel like a pro' when laying out £500 for the snake oil of all bats.
5) Those who don't know about the cosmetic context of grading can be sold a pup, albeit a pretty one.

I'm sure there are more.

Basically, I couldn't give a rats about grading. I care more about who made it, how it go's, and how much it cost me.

Buying a bat on grade alone is an exercise in vanity.
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