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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2014, 02:21:36 PM »

If you based it on longevity then icon, powerbow, mjolnir and kahuna. That said I don't think the kahuna is that special and would put the solution in as a unique bat or possibly the distinction.

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Really? I would say it is one of the most iconic bats of this era, simply because of Ponting. Surely the Powerspot wasn't really anything special too, but the fact that it was used by Gower (I think) makes it special? A bat used by one of the best batsmen is bound to be pretty special.

That being said, I think I see where.youre coming from, because it doesn't have anything that makes it a really groundbreaking profile or unique stickers, which both the Dynadrive and Scoop have. Probably Kookaburra's fault for making the stickers a green version of the standard design, rather than something unique like the Genesis and Beast.

For me, the bats which will probably be modern classics:

Kookaburra - Genesis, Beast and Kahuna

Gray Nicolls - Oblivion, Powerbow, and Phoenix

Woodworm - Torch, Wand and Flame

GM - Icon and Six6

Newbery - GT 335, Tour and Mjolnir

M&H - Amplus and Distinction

MRF - Genius (Already done) and Wizard

Adidas - Master Blaster

Spartan - MC
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2014, 02:50:22 PM »

I can't see any spartan bats getting this status as te stickers change too often.

Can see the NB Achieve possibly making it one day though.
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2014, 03:05:25 PM »


For me, the bats which will probably be modern classics:

Kookaburra - Genesis, Beast Only if these two have Graphite backs - otherwise they are run of the mill shapes and Kahuna

Gray Nicolls - Oblivion, Powerbow, and Phoenix I'm not sure about the Phoenix. I don't think it's had either the exposure of a particular player or looks particularly special. I think the original Powerbow is already gaining that status based on the eBay prices. As for the oblivion - it's much of a muchness with many other bats and really needs Cook to break records with it.

Woodworm - Torch, Wand and Flame Not sure about any of these. I have a strong suspicion that these are really a flash in the pan.

GM - Icon and Six6 Icon - Yes. Six6 - who uses it, and why? Based on shape and use, I'd have thought the Argon or Octane would manage better.

Newbery - GT 335, Tour and Mjolnir The Mjolnir has been around in some shape of form for ten years. It's a classic shape, but I don't think it's something that the cognoscenti will lust after, unlike the Excalibur. The tour has a much better chance of this.

M&H - Amplus and Distinction I think the original Distinction is already achieving this. I'm less sure whether either the Amplus or New Distinction will get there, simply due to the wider level of recognition that M&H receives.

MRF - Genius (Already done) and Wizard

Adidas - Master Blaster

Spartan - MC I just can't see this happening....!  :o
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2014, 03:05:47 PM »


Can see the NB Achieve possibly making it one day though.

For being some of the worst looking stickers possible?  :D

Really not a fan haha
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2014, 03:17:59 PM »

Pot kettle black ^^^^




Kahuna, oblilvion for me for deffo.

I believe the six6 will too. Its too soon to have major recognition. But i have one and its a great bat in feel, and looks. The colour combo works well.
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2014, 03:20:27 PM »

what are the really original shapes though - in the past it has been a combination of the shapes as well as branding which makes the difference - and some of the GN bats and the Kook bats fail because the shapes are all so similar. In my view.
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2014, 03:23:11 PM »

Pot kettle black ^^^^


Any need? I'm sure I can find a fair few people that would disagree...
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2014, 03:32:42 PM »

Malik Sher

The problem with the Kahuna is that it's changed shape every year.

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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2014, 03:40:37 PM »

For being some of the worst looking stickers possible?  :D

Really not a fan haha
I was thinking more the anount of player now using them, they're gaining in popularity (an look alright in the flesh)
Could be your suggestion though...
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2014, 03:47:56 PM »

My predictions are purely based on either shape, stickers or who uses/used it. They could possibly just have a stickered version of the Beast and Genesis, (I'd seriously consider buying them) but I agree with the Spartan, that's only really a maybe. (If Spartan were to make one) To be honest, I would remember Clarke's Slazenger better than his Spartan, simply because the stickers seem to keep changing... :-[ Six6 is because of the stickers, and based on the assumption that Root will properly make a name for himself in the next 2 seasons. Bound to be better ones coming out in the near future mind you, but I just feel that of the current/recent crop of bats, these seem more likely than others. :)
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2014, 03:52:08 PM »

what are the really original shapes though - in the past it has been a combination of the shapes as well as branding which makes the difference - and some of the GN bats and the Kook bats fail because the shapes are all so similar. In my view.
I think if you look at the bats considered classics now, you'd have a few levels:

Top Tier
GN 500
GN 100/Scoop 2000
GN Dynadrive
GN Powerspot

GM Maestro

Slazenger V12/V1200

Kookaburra Ridgeback

Symonds Tusker

St Peter

Newbery Excalibur

DF Magnum
DF 405
DF Attack

Second Tier
Slazenger V800 (Catseye)
GM Diamond
HC Reflex
GN Elite
GN Ultimate
GN Megapower/Sabre

Look at why these get the prices they do and you'll be onto a winner. For most it is the unusualness of them, with cutouts, variations, etc. Some are clearly user based. As Buzz says, far too many of what is now on the market all appear to be the same. It will be the ones that are either used by world beaters or do something slightly different that will gain the Kudos and nostalgia value.
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2014, 04:01:09 PM »

@Tim.

Your list is well considered.

There are a number there which broke the norm.
The Maestro, the first contoured edge (I had one and loved it)
GN have been scooping their mids more than a hair rock band, and to great effect.

A classic is surely something which broke the mold and still makes sense.
If they bought out another Maestro shape (and not some rubbish take on it), I'd get one. Surely that's also a criteria.
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2014, 04:06:20 PM »

I think it would be great to see the re-introduction of the maestro. Was my first bat too and loved it.
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2014, 04:12:34 PM »

Look at why these get the prices they do and you'll be onto a winner. For most it is the unusualness of them, with cutouts, variations, etc. Some are clearly user based.
Exactly why woodworm will make it!
Funky edges
The torch - that 158 to bring the ashes home
The flame - Freddie factor
The wand - where it all started
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Re: Modern Classics
« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2014, 04:29:58 PM »

Exactly why woodworm will make it!
Funky edges
The torch - that 158 to bring the ashes home
The flame - Freddie factor
The wand - where it all started
Until you posted this, I had no idea that KP was using a Torch. I also think it was too early on for KP. Far more people would be able to tell you about his Adidas bats than his Woodworm. I'd have been able to tell you that Vaughan was using a Purist though....

The freddie factor probably influences pedalo sales more than people remembering his bat!

Woodworm will be remembered for going bust and not introducing anything special, their products weren't around for long enough to garner the love of an adoring public, nor used by enough batsmen to be watched regularly, and I think longevity plays a part too. The Maestro was around for 10-12 years, for example.

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