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[FattusCattus]

SLcrici, you don't know what standard Dave plays at or his credentials,You don't know that Dave is old, sad or otherwise   - you don't know whether Dave is my 'buddy' or not.

Everyone can see that Senanayeka has a best a questionable action that is going to provoke debate. Rightly or wrongly his action 'looks' like a chuck, (and I hope it gets proven not).

- ergo, I consider your comments foolish and personal, and those of Dave mildly inflammatory.

But I'm sure we'll end up agreeing to disagree

[tim2000s]

slcric, to the majority of impartial observers, Senanayake appears to chuck. As such, a statement, he needs to learn to bowl, is not unusual. In fact, it seems he spent a lot of time trying to do that in the past, and may have fallen back to old ways. This is of course speculation, but the same can be said of Ajmal and Narine, both of whom cause many impartial observers to note a suspect bowling action.

This has nothing to do with being Sri Lankan, please note, and everything to do with the bowling action of all these players looking, frankly, like they are throwing it.

As for the government picking the team, can you explain why Sanath Jayasuriya was recalled in 2011 at the age of 41, despite having not played cricket for Sri Lanka for more than two years? Sangakarra's Cowdrey speech raised a lot of questions on the set-up of the SL administrations.

[Manormanic]

well its nice of you to defend your buddy too but are you telling me Dave did not resort to personal comments about a player?Senanayeka is a human after all so calling him a chucker who needs to learn how to bowl says all about Dave.and Dave is no international player and what i said is unfortunately true.you cant bitch about my reply when your buddy goes around insulting our players without solid proof.if that is not posting in such a reactionary way then i don't know what is.

Hate to say it but Senanayake IS a chucker, there are no two ways about it, and Dave's comments, whilst phrased in his usual heart-on-the-sleeve style, are not reactionary or inappropriate.  Yours, sadly, were.. 

[FattusCattus]

I don't know what MCC spirit of cricket everyone is claiming to exist. Sledging is rife , so is using unfair methods to gain advantage such as using mints, roughening up the ball. The MCC spirit of cricket was dead a long time ago. why flog a dead horse ?. I have seen many bowlers including our captain (ex prem league and an excellent one) chucking the odd one in division 1 and this happens irrespective of race/ colour. As long as there is allowance for bending , how can one be sure ?.

THIS!

And by the way, the amount of bleating several England players kept doing all through the innings as they were being beaten was pretty unedifying too!

[tim2000s]

Beside OPINION of whether it's right or wrong to steal a run. Can anyone actually point to the ICC rules and show where it says it is illegal for a batsman to leave his crease as the bowler is entering his delivery swing?

There is nothing saying it is illegal, just that you can be run out...

[mini998]

Jayawardene said:

"We always try to play in the right spirit, but if the other team is not playing in the right spirit and not going with the law, then unfortunately we had to take the law into our hands. It was the third time. It is fair enough, I think. We all need to play by the rules.

"If the other sides are not going by the rules, then they're not playing by the spirit, so what can you do?"


Beside OPINION of whether it's right or wrong to steal a run. Can anyone actually point to the ICC rules and show where it says it is illegal for a batsman to leave his crease as the bowler is entering his delivery swing?

Not sure if you are being sarcastic on use of words from Jayawardana or not, but if you are not then no it is not illegal to leave his crease but then you risk your self of getting run out, Tim clearly pointed out the laws about Mankadding so I'm not going to repeat that again.

[Manormanic]

well how about you ask your own "English" government to pick 11 "English" players?


let the government pick our team does it really bother you lol?after all it didn't matter who picked our team.we outplayed you.

well, we have a set of impartial selectors (well, impartial from political interference at least) to do it instead but hey ho.  And for the record, having seen all of their passports, I can confirm that every single guy is British!

As for outplayed....interesting concept in a 3-2 result that went down to the penultimate over! 

[MD2812]

Not sure if you are being sarcastic on use of words from Jayawardana or not, but if you are not then no it is not illegal to leave his crease but then you risk your self of getting run out, Tim clearly pointed out the laws about Mankadding so I'm not going to repeat that again.

Not sarcastic, more highlighted as I didn't want to edit the quote down and potentially alter the context.

It seemed to me like Jayawardene was saying "they broke the rules, not us" and "if they break the rules, why should be play as gentlemen"

But no rules were broken that i'm aware of.

[mini998]

I appreciate what you are saying BUT...

1) Why hire him after the series when he could be such a valuable asset during it

2) Sitting him out of the series would be ridiculous as he is on the payroll so needs to earn his wage.

I fully agree that a change in head coach is huge but that's just life I guess. People make decisions all over the world in all walks of life linked to their place of work and unfortunately this is just another. With regards to it being 'unethical' and not within the 'spirit of the game' I'm not so sure. It isn't like he is on the field with the players. yes information can be passed over but you still have to be good enough to execute a plan. I see your point but don't think it fits under the umbrella of ethics and spirit of the game.

Finally if yourself or the Sri Lankan team were so concerned about what is ethically right should Senanayake be withdrawn from bowling because there is the possibility he has a 'suspect' action? Ethically if there was a chance it wasn't suitable surely taking the moral high ground and saying sorry but you aren't going to bowl until we can get you tested and cleared......They wouldn't do that and neither would I in their shoes because as with most things, you are innocent until proven guilty.

I don't think much of what is being discussed can be brought under the ethics umbrella in my opinion but without doubt some of what you are saying definitely has an impact and could be deemed unfair but unfortunately that's just timing and perhaps a clever move from the ECB in an attempt to try and find immediate success (Obviously didn't work enough in the ODI's so I wouldn't be too disheartened if I were you)

You and I obviously have different views of where to draw the line in regards to spirit of the game, so lets just agree to disagree otherwise this can go rounds and rounds.

Yeah it didn't work for England this time , and I personally think Farbrace just did a risky thing and wasn't clever enough by joining England at this stage. if things goes right then yeah he and moors will be hailed  but it will be their heads if things goes wrong.

He was with SL team for only 3 months so it can be a case of right time at right place rather than Farbrace winning it for Sri Lanka. if things go wrong in England job he will be a nobody again. I I was Farbrace I would have stayed with SL for at least an year to make a mark and then look for other career prospects, like what Moody did with SL. 

[Nickauger]

I agree with Mini998, Buttler was moronic, arrogant, and a little bit ignorant to be honest. He was warned, he ignored it, he deserves to be run out!

[slcric]

SLcrici, you don't know what standard Dave plays at or his credentials,You don't know that Dave is old, sad or otherwise   - you don't know whether Dave is my 'buddy' or not.

Everyone can see that Senanayeka has a best a questionable action that is going to provoke debate. Rightly or wrongly his action 'looks' like a chuck, (and I hope it gets proven not).

- ergo, I consider your comments foolish and personal, and those of Dave mildly inflammatory.

But I'm sure we'll end up agreeing to disagree

having been a member for 3 years on this forum,you cannot tell me Dave is a promising off spinner who plays at a standard which gives him credibility to call an international spinner a chucker who needs to learn how to bowl.


one does not simply develop an arson of deliveries and get into a national team overnight.it takes years of incredibly hard work and dedication to achieve what Senanayeka has achieved.something no English spinner has ever been able to display at an international level.perhaps thats why you guys are dumbfound by every subcontinent spinner?if your batsman cant face a bowler then he has to be reported.some people went as far as calling Malinga a chucker aswel!utter bull from a disappointed and jealous bunch.

slcric, to the majority of impartial observers, Senanayake appears to chuck. As such, a statement, he needs to learn to bowl, is not unusual. In fact, it seems he spent a lot of time trying to do that in the past, and may have fallen back to old ways. This is of course speculation, but the same can be said of Ajmal and Narine, both of whom cause many impartial observers to note a suspect bowling action.This has nothing to do with being Sri Lankan, please note, and everything to do with the bowling action of all these players looking, frankly, like they are throwing it. As for the government picking the team, can you explain why Sanath Jayasuriya was recalled in 2011 at the age of 41, despite having not played cricket for Sri Lanka for more than two years? Sangakarra's Cowdrey speech raised a lot of questions on the set-up of the SL administrations.

at no point did i defend our government.yes we all know how corrupt these politicians are.as a poster was trying to bring out Sri Lankan politics into this debate i was simply pointing out that it didnt matter who picked our team as long as we got the result we came for.a series win.

Sanath's situation is clear cut politics.but there is no point bringing out politics because as you see,Sri Lanka has been more consistent in more forms of the game than England have for quite a while now.so wether the team selection is politically influenced or not does not matter here.its all a good selection after all.

Hate to say it but Senanayake IS a chucker, there are no two ways about it, and Dave's comments, whilst phrased in his usual heart-on-the-sleeve style, are not reactionary or inappropriate.  Yours, sadly, were..

can you show us proof of Senanayeka chucking?would love to see it.

and if Dave's comments are his usual heart-on-the-sleeve style,consider my comments the same.

you really have no leg to stand on.

[Manormanic]

can you show us proof of Senanayeka chucking?would love to see it.

1. Go to youtube, Sky Go etc.
2. Search "Sennanayake"
3. Watch video.
4. See proof of chucking. 

and if Dave's comments are his usual heart-on-the-sleeve style,consider my comments the same.

I consider your comments badly worded, factually inaccurate nationalistic piffle if you must know!

[tim2000s]

can you show us proof of Senanayeka chucking?would love to see it.

Every single piece of video footage shows him chucking it. The question is not whether he is chucking it, rather whether he is chucking it within the rules (less than 15 degrees), or outside of the rules (more than 15 degrees).

[Sam]

One thing I personally hate is when people claim someone is defimitely chucking. Fair enough, he clearly has an odd looking action but there is no way anybody can say for certain he is chucking. I'm not saying he's not, and its good that he's going to be tested, but accusing someone of 'cheating' without proof and no access to it is a big claim in my opinion.

[Manormanic]

one does not simply develop an arson of deliveries and get into a national team overnight.it takes years of incredibly hard work and dedication to achieve what Senanayeka has achieved.something no English spinner has ever been able to display at an international level.perhaps thats why you guys are dumbfound by every subcontinent spinner?if your batsman cant face a bowler then he has to be reported.some people went as far as calling Malinga a chucker aswel!utter bull from a disappointed and jealous bunch.

Love it - an arson of deliveries. That'll really start a fire...

But yes, we have never had a spinner acheive what Sennanayake has acheived - namely convince his national authorities to let him chuck the ball in international cricket.  HAd we developed such a genius talent we would surely have...erm...banned him or...erm...got him to bowl within the rules...