Topic: Saeed Ajmal (Read 22250 times)

fasteddie · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2014, 09:48:20 AM »

Quote from: Gingerbusiness on May 22, 2014, 08:56:20 AM

I think it is dangerous for authorities (ICC especially) to go on a witch-hunt over actions.

I think the problem lays with certain domestic cricket board's - where their attitude towards the ICC is to get the lawyers involved and make a huge media circus out of it (The 'American' way - which in some cases, is slightly ironic) - instead of dealing with the issue. Sometimes almost eluding to discrimination and, in turn, racism.

I do not want to pick out groups from this - but I think the ICC is a toothless, outdated organisation of bean counters - happily having a free junket on cricket - who do not really want to rock the boat.

Not sure it's a witch hunt. More like a more fundamental decision; legal, not legal.

It's more a 'clean sweep'.

Frankly, who cares what the countries think. If the ICC did their job then we would not have this problem.

Maybe we need one country to lead and say that anyone with an illegal action CANNOT play in their games/leagues/shores.

Manormanic · « **Reply #31 on:** May 22, 2014, 09:49:55 AM »

Quote from: Gingerbusiness on May 22, 2014, 09:44:45 AM

When he first came over, played against him and hooked a normal delivery for 4 off him at their place, next one crashed into the side of my helmet about 20mph quicker. I never saw it. Quick arm... Quicker elbow!

Thats the one. Pitched a couple up normally, as soon as he went for a boundary or two it was like facing Jackie Robinson.

smilley792 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 22, 2014, 09:57:56 AM »

dangerous area in club cricket, there are many players with suspect actions about, some teams maon, and some teams dont care.
but these bowlers are neither the quickest in the league or the most accurate, so at a non proffessional level, unless its quite very obvious throwing, i believe it should be let be.

as ones you start rouding club cricketer sup thta pay to play, calling them out and saying they cant bowl, there just gonna end up leaving the sport, and very well take afew casual cricketers with them. this will elad to teams folding, or failing to forfill fixtures.

then all the morons that complained about actions, will now have "no game this saturday" to whinge about instead.

cricket is a declining sport at club level, and yet the majority insist on implementing rules that are speed up the decline.

trypewriter · « **Reply #33 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:13:27 AM »

It's all a far cry from the Harold Rhodes debacle...

Although facing strong competition from bowlers such as Brian Statham and Fred Trueman, Rhodes might have expected to play many more Tests. But doubts about the legality of his bowling action emerged, and in the 1960 season, playing for Derbyshire against the South Africans, he was "called" for throwing � bowling the ball with a bent arm that straightens in the delivery � by the umpire and former Test batsman, Paul Gibb.[1] Later in the 1960 season, he was no-balled again by Gibb, and by Syd Buller. He took 78 first class wickets in the season and took two five wicket innings.

Rhodes was then subjected to a long and detailed examination of his action by MCC committees; he was eventually cleared in 1968 when it was declared that he had a "hyper-extended arm".[1] But by then, his Test career was long gone, although he had continued to bowl successfully for Derbyshire across the 1960s. In the 1961 season he topped Derbyshire's bowling with 101 and took six five wicket innings. Against Oxford University he achieved a hat-trick that year. He took 68 wickets in the 1962 season and took five five wicket innings.

sgcricket · « **Reply #34 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:13:57 AM »

Quote from: tim2000s on May 22, 2014, 09:21:27 AM

There isn't a "holier than thou" attitude here. You can clearly see chucking (there, I've used the word) going on from Ajmal, Narine, Ashwin, and others, when they are delivering certain balls. The only prejudice here is against illegal actions and throwing (yes, I've used that word too) the ball. Half knowledge would suggest that they were doing something that wasn't fully transparent, and yet there is plenty of widely available footage of what, on any given Sunday, would cause anger and complaint in friendly cricket, let alone international cricket.

So, no we aren't going to stop with it. There is very clear straightening of the arm and it is also more than the 15 degrees "allowed" by the ICC. Or are you telling us our eyes are wrong? I'd suggest there is a good reason why not all bowlers are attempting to bowl Doosras...

I have seen topics here where people are asked to provide evidence (even by the admin) of their views on threads where they say something negative about some batmaker. would be happy if you could share some evidence to back up what you claimed

arsenal123 · « **Reply #35 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:16:05 AM »

http://www.hilalscricket.com/2007/12/re-murali-debate-causes-stir-herald-sun.html

ajmw89 · « **Reply #36 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:21:41 AM »

Quote from: sgcricket on May 22, 2014, 10:13:57 AM

I have seen topics here where people are asked to provide evidence (even by the admin) of their views on threads where they say something negative about some batmaker. would be happy if you could share some evidence to back up what you claimed

Put "ajmal/narine/ashwin/shillingford/murali/senanayake chucking" in youtube and there's your evidence.

And playing the race card is crap IMO. The reason you don't see many English/Australian spinners with dodgy actions is because the boards don't let them anywhere near a professional cricket pitch until their action has been totally disected to prove whether it is legal or not. Other boards should do the same, but won't.

mini998 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:26:13 AM »

Wearable spot sensors on bowling arms under match conditions.. that's the only way to to solve this issue. Otherwise it will be just personal opinions and claims of optical illusions .

People say Murali bowled leg spin with straight arm , then they need to see that video where Mark Nicholas on this issue .

Still not many people doesn't know that Murali was called for throwing when he bowled leg spin as well in 1995 , yeah leg spin . so that doesn't help the cause of throwing claims as well. As far as I know it is impossible to throw when you bowl legs spin.

tim2000s · « **Reply #38 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:36:08 AM »

Simply not true. Try it. If you flex your elbow you can increase the twisting action through your wrist, so it's very possible...

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tim2000s · « **Reply #39 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:40:44 AM »

Quote from: sgcricket on May 22, 2014, 10:13:57 AM

I have seen topics here where people are asked to provide evidence (even by the admin) of their views on threads where they say something negative about some batmaker. would be happy if you could share some evidence to back up what you claimed

Watch from 30secs in this video. The replays of the delivery clearly show the elbow straightening, and that's a lot more than 15 degrees.

https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=poAkJP2eOKI

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Nmcgee · « **Reply #40 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:44:48 AM »

Quote from: tim2000s on May 22, 2014, 10:40:44 AM

Watch from 30secs in this video. The replays of the delivery clearly show the elbow straightening, and that's a lot more than 15 degrees.

https://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=poAkJP2eOKI

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Morgans ball cannot possibly be within the laws of the game?

richthekeeper · « **Reply #41 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:49:34 AM »

this is what happens to young english spinners with suspect actions:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/nov/06/maurice-holmes-english-murali-spin

tim2000s · « **Reply #42 on:** May 22, 2014, 10:58:29 AM »

Here's Narine doing the same thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IKWk76Anjk

mini998 · « **Reply #43 on:** May 22, 2014, 11:00:17 AM »

Quote from: richthekeeper on May 22, 2014, 10:49:34 AM

this is what happens to young english spinners with suspect actions:

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2012/nov/06/maurice-holmes-english-murali-spin

This sums things up..

"There will always be the English view, that something different is not necessarily something good," Holmes says. "There are people who tend to take the traditional view that things can and should only be done in one way."

tim2000s · « **Reply #44 on:** May 22, 2014, 11:03:00 AM »

Quote from: mini998 on May 22, 2014, 11:00:17 AM

This sums things up..

"There will always be the English view, that something different is not necessarily something good," Holmes says. "There are people who tend to take the traditional view that things can and should only be done in one way."

That's the ECB view certainly. Most supporters would love to see England with a bona fide mystery spinner who could beguile opposition players. And if they've been proven not to chuck it, even better.

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