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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #225 on: July 16, 2014, 01:10:02 PM »

People may even realise how good he is if he isn't there...
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #226 on: July 16, 2014, 01:13:14 PM »

Was anybody watching the TV footage? All the press I've read suggests that it was something that took place on the pitch that spilled over into the pavilion.

If so, I would have expected that there would have been some commentary from the commentators relating to this.
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« Reply #227 on: July 16, 2014, 01:22:56 PM »

the papers ive read say there was sledging on the pitch, which most of us saw, and then inside somewhere on the way to the dressing rooms it continued and jadeja and jimmy fronted up and alledgedly jimmy pushed him away-which was witnessed by indian players and officials.Seems a storm in a tea cup...obviously you cannot be throwing punches but there is no suggestion any were thrown.
I'm sure on these boards there are those that support their own teams, Anderson banned or a minor incident blown out of all proportion if you support England(like myself)

I think the fact that the Indian team completley by passed the match officials and went to the ICC perhaps shows how they think they can run cricket,ignoring the procedure for any 'incidents'

If India think they have been wronged fair enough-the complaint should of been made to the match officials-they are in charge of the match. :)
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #228 on: July 16, 2014, 01:36:17 PM »

the papers ive read say there was sledging on the pitch, which most of us saw, and then inside somewhere on the way to the dressing rooms it continued and jadeja and jimmy fronted up and alledgedly jimmy pushed him away-which was witnessed by indian players and officials.Seems a storm in a tea cup...obviously you cannot be throwing punches but there is no suggestion any were thrown.
I'm sure on these boards there are those that support their own teams, Anderson banned or a minor incident blown out of all proportion if you support England(like myself)

I think the fact that the Indian team completley by passed the match officials and went to the ICC perhaps shows how they think they can run cricket,ignoring the procedure for any 'incidents'

If India think they have been wronged fair enough-the complaint should of been made to the match officials-they are in charge of the match. :)

The India team manager Sunil Dev, who lodged the complaint, told ESPN Cricinfo on Tuesday: “Mahi [Dhoni] and everyone complained that he physically touched him [Jadeja] and pushed him,” Dev said. “It was all over the dressing room. It is serious matter only because you can’t push anybody. So I put in a complaint with the match referee.”

The level three offence, which is what Anderson has been charged with, is the most serious offence under the ICC code of conduct and he could face a four-Test ban.

----First notified to match referee and then you press charges with the ICC.

Asked if India would rather have Anderson out of the England team than in it, Cook said: “Yeah, I think so, I think that’s pretty much where it’s come from.”

---Cook just cant do anything right on the filed and off the field.
Indians are scared of Anderson. He will just run through a side. Yeah right!!!

India is worried about its own bowling more than the opposition batting or bowling.
They have a fantastic batting side.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #229 on: July 16, 2014, 02:22:25 PM »

India did report it to a match referee, but the level 3 offence is deemed above a match referee so it had to go higher. There were no behind back tactics from the Indian dressing room.

Several Indian players have admitted off record that it wasn't serious, but obviously now it's taking up the press and putting pressure on England. Clever from India, in same way that Lehman made Broad out to be the enemy in Australia (Broad admitting this affected him). This will be all around the England training and dressing rooms affecting atmosphere, maybe lowering Jimmys confidence which would of been high after the 1st test.

What is annoying though is that the ICC sent a lawyer to try resolve the matter and it sounds like India refused to come to an agreement with him (obviously wanting the punishment).

A push is wrong, but if the BCCI want a 4 test ban they should look within themselves where a player throws a bat and is only fined money....

If it was the test had been a dead rubber, India would've let Jimmy apologise there would've been a shake of hands and all forgotten about. India want to win this series, to overcome the hurt of England winning abroad on top of usual wanting to win.

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #230 on: July 17, 2014, 01:52:18 AM »

Depends how you define great really.  If you look at bowlers with over 400 wickets in test cricket - because Jimmy will end up there or thereabouts - you have a mixture of the genuinely great (Warne, McGrath, Walsh, Hadlee, Akram, Ambrose) the exceptionally good and long lived (Kumble, Dev, Pollock, Harhajan) and the ones who did it by chucking.  Jimmy is definitely in the latter group just as the other current player likely to reach 400 -Steyn - is in the former.  Averages actually make a pretty good dividing line - Pollock is the only bowler averaging under 25 that I wouldn't instinctively label an all time great - whereas the others merely exceptional average over 26.  The same works further down - most would agree that Marshall, Khan and Trueman were world greats whereas Botham, Zaheer and Craig McDermott were "merely" exceptional.

So you're labelling Jimmy a chucker then? Lol...
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #231 on: July 17, 2014, 02:59:35 AM »

Pretty poor from the Indians, they are trying to play tough guys but cry when it goes to more than talk, Sreesanth was a prime example of this behaviour. "All show, no go" is a saying that comes to mind.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #232 on: July 17, 2014, 06:06:42 AM »

Pretty poor from the Indians, they are trying to be tough guys but cry when it goes to more than talk, Sreesanth was a prime example of this behaviour. "All show, no go" is a saying that comes to mind.
Sreesanth is a tool, always will be.

Indians are following procedure and not making anything up. Better raise it first than wait for opposition. The decisions will be made by ICC not ECB or BCCI.
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #233 on: July 17, 2014, 09:44:19 AM »

Green top prepared. No excuses if England doesn't win...

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #234 on: July 17, 2014, 09:45:49 AM »

Green top prepared. No excuses if England doesn't win...


Let's hope that bowling is the right decision. If it doesn't do anything it's going to be a hot and humid couple of days and we really don't want to be bowling throughout them both...

I'm feeling Nasser at Brisbane....
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #235 on: July 17, 2014, 09:55:53 AM »

Come 6.30PM I'm expecting the ridiculous headlines 'Clubman Jimmy the King of Swing'...

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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #236 on: July 17, 2014, 10:03:22 AM »

Ooof. That green top is looking very unpleasant for the batsmen!!!
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #237 on: July 17, 2014, 10:04:03 AM »

where is the pitch? :o you score runs on this one..it will count double  :(
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #238 on: July 17, 2014, 10:04:28 AM »

Let's hope that bowling is the right decision. If it doesn't do anything it's going to be a hot and humid couple of days and we really don't want to be bowling throughout them both...

I'm feeling Nasser at Brisbane....

Sounds like an excuse already Tim. ;)
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Re: England Vs India
« Reply #239 on: July 17, 2014, 10:15:37 AM »

Sounds like an excuse already Tim. ;)
KP was on Twitter this morning saying don't be fooled by the green and bat...
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