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Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« on: August 11, 2014, 08:17:30 AM »


http://www.thenational.ae/sport/cricket/fast-bowlers-broad-and-andersons-hunting-together-as-pair-is-paying-off

Fast bowlers Broad and Anderson’s hunting together as pair is paying off

What makes a great fast bowling pair?

Is it the camaraderie, when they complement each other intuitively? Or is friction between them preferred, jealousy turning into competitive drive and hurling both forward? Does it help if one is right-arm, the other left? Or if one bangs the ball in and the other kisses the surface? Or if one is meek, the other fiery?

There is no set template but it is a question worth revisiting right now, as James Anderson and Stuart Broad progress gradually up the charts of the best fast bowling pairs of all time. After taking 11 of the 20 wickets to fall in the fourth Test at Old Trafford, the pair now have 516 in 68 Tests together.

That puts them fifth in the list of the most successful pace pairs. They will almost certainly go past the three above them, though going past the most successful ever - Curtly Ambrose and Courtney Walsh, with 763 wickets - is not a done deal.

Numbers have their limitations, of course. Dennis Lillee and Jeff Thomson do not feature on that list but boy, can anybody deny their combined ferocity, their legend built on triumph, fear, blood and song? But until this series it has felt like Anderson and Broad have not really received the appreciation specifically as a partnership as they ought to have done. One of the few drawbacks of being part of a celebrated duo is that the greatness comes impinging on individual acclaim.

With these two, that has somehow not been the case. The quality of Anderson is widely acknowledged; his mastery has been duly celebrated. Broad’s value is also clear and uncomplicated more because. Together? Bizarrely, it has not really happened much until now.

One reason for it is that modern England has thrived on a fast-bowling quartet, or, latterly, a trio of fast men with Graeme Swann equally key. Much of the attention has been focused either on individual components, or on the collective depth of English pace bowling.

It is only now, when that depth has begun to look more shallow, when Swann has gone, and only Anderson and Broad are left that the story of the pair is materialising.

What they could be missing is that signature moment, that one match or series in which their combined work stands above all else, giving birth to a super-couple nickname, or celebrated by song. The whitewash of India in 2011 could have been one, except that as good as the front pair was Tim Bresnan.

Had Broad not missed much of the 2010-11 Ashes, that could have been their moment, like Lillee and Thomson against the West Indies in 1975-76; or Walsh and Ambrose against Australia in 1998-99; or Allan Donald and Shaun Pollock at Johannesburg against England in 1999-00; or, finally, the Ws, Wasim and Waqar, at Hamilton, New Zealand in 1992-93.

The synchronicity of their peaks, which is crucial, has also been rare. Broad missed important parts of two of Anderson’s greatest triumphs. Anderson was disappointing in Australia last winter, where Broad was probably England’s best bowler. In the Ashes before that they managed a frisson of duo-dom.

Otherwise they even have the contrast in bowling styles that is so useful in lighting up a pair. Anderson bowls like great Dutch footballers think: in unforeseen curves. His trajectories, in and out, to right and left-handed batsmen, is art.

Broad deals in straight lines and sharp angles. Unlike Anderson, a classicist, Broad is modern, a product of the post-Glenn McGrath era: back of a length, the top of off-stump. He does bowl fuller, with success too, but almost always with the accompanying rueful observation that he should do so more.

Anderson is indisputably the leader in the arrangement, though. He is the better bowler, a man who has grand affairs with each ball he bowls. He does not grip one as much as keep it in a transitory caress, escorting it on its way. His handling of the ball and its actions is gentler, more sensitive; hold it this way, swing it that way, hold it here, swing it here.

Broad does not worry for details of the orb. He drives hard-nosed negotiations with the surface. Put in this much effort, give me this much bounce, or eam. But his modernity gives him adaptability and so, across the shorter formats, he is better-rounded.

They share an attitude though. Sometimes it feels overdone, as if they are the boy band who have been told by a cricket-equivalent of Simon Cowell to be edgier so they can target a slightly older audience. In this series, Anderson has actually bowled better since shutting up.

Could this series, with 37 wickets so far, do it for them? Perhaps they got that performance on Saturday, when India collapsed so feebly; so potent now that with Anderson unwell and Broad not even able to bowl, even the mere apparition of the duo ran India over.

osamiuddin@thenational.ae


Personally I think this article misses thinking about how well these two have bowled together in UAE, Sri Lanka and India - or fails to mention Anderson's lack of success in Australia. SA next winter will be the big one.

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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2014, 08:31:46 AM »

I'm looking forward to seeing how Gerry will manipulate stats to prove that the 3rd highest wicket taking partnership in the history of the game is not world class.
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2014, 09:13:42 AM »

Probably world clad or up there for the era but not up there with greats for me as I can't compare them to

Lille/Thompson
Walsh/ambrose
Waquar/Wasim
Donald/pollock
Holding/Roberts

There stars are up there with them but are not in there class for me
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2014, 09:27:07 AM »

Probably world clad or up there for the era but not up there with greats for me as I can't compare them to

Lille/Thompson
Walsh/ambrose
Waquar/Wasim
Donald/pollock
Holding/Roberts

There stars are up there with them but are not in there class for me
Is it possible that we look back with rose tinted hindsight? Or is it that wickets taken by a pair is not an appropriate stat and we should use a combination of Wickets taken, strike rate and average (as a pair) to determine whether they are really world class?
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2014, 09:28:06 AM »

Do Broad/Anderson perform much better at home than away?
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2014, 09:28:37 AM »

Probably world clad or up there for the era but not up there with greats for me as I can't compare them to

Lille/Thompson
Walsh/ambrose
Waquar/Wasim
Donald/pollock
Holding/Roberts

There stars are up there with them but are not in there class for me
These have long retired, history tends to remember the good times and forget the bad. Anderson/Broad are world class and will be remembered in the same bracket your list above once their boots are hung up, along with Steyne/Morkel and McGrath/Lee.
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2014, 09:31:47 AM »

I would say yes they are world class. They have had success as a pairing and now rank top 5 in wickets taken together.

That said it doesn't mean they are "the best" bowling partnership. There are some better playing currently and many more who have since retired that could be deemed world class, despite not having the same volume of success. Sometimes you have to give praise where it's due rather than always looking to criticise or point out someone / many others who are in your opinion better.
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2014, 09:34:29 AM »

It's hard to just use wickets or runs to define greatness as much more cricket played today

Having seen most of the above bowl on different pitches around the world I would not put broad and Anderson in there bracket

Maybe rose tinted glasses a little but day to day around world the above performed for long periods of there career broad and Anderson seem to do it in spats and both have struggled away from home till recently

My view as grew up in a golden age of fast bowling and apart from steyn I would not put any of the fast bowlers of today up against that lot
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 09:41:03 AM »

My view as grew up in a golden age of fast bowling and apart from steyn I would not put any of the fast bowlers of today up against that lot

Just to play devil's advocate here slightly but what if we never see bowlers of that ilk ever again.....are they the benchmark to determine greatness? Who is the determinant of what makes greatness or will it always be down to a subjective decision which means there is a huge amount of discussion? We can't rely on stats alone as opportunities and volume of cricket has increased so are current bowlers stats inflated? Pitches have improved so potentially harder to get wickets for the bowlers?

There are endless discussions and endless questions so some will agree and others won't. That will also tie in with the patriotism factor
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2014, 09:45:32 AM »

That's the problem I don't think with the volume of cricket now there will ever be a cluster of fast bowlers like there was in 90's

Hard to measure greatness across eras as today pitches different, bats different, balls different, boundaries different

But I just look at who I have seen in my lifetime and broad and Anderson are good but not up there with others

You can only really rate players you have seen as I've heard off my dad trueman and snow were fantastic bowlers but I can't rate them as never saw them
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2014, 09:49:28 AM »

Depends on your definition of world Class I guess.
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2014, 09:54:46 AM »

You can make most things look sugar coated with the application of the right stats.

I'd say they are International class. You can only be World class when you have shown your success in pretty much all conditions, not all, most.

I'd say in the next two years they could progress, but they've only got two years left until Jimmy starts to wain.
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2014, 10:06:23 AM »

In 2015 - we have a tour to the Windies, home against (I think) NZ, then an Ashes, then UAE then SA...

come out of that and they will be world class...
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2014, 10:32:19 AM »

Reading the title I initially thought batting! Imagine the amount of runs they would score opening the batting at our level!
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Re: Are Broad and Anderson a World Class Opening Pair??
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2014, 02:34:34 PM »

How would you rate the top opening pairs in Test cricket atm?

Johnson/Harris
Steyn/Philander
Anderson/Broad
Southee/Boult

I think probably.
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