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SOULMAN1012

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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2014, 08:35:21 PM »

Interesting to see a few players saying Scat and L&W under delivered. A few years ago never heard a ad word about either.
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2014, 09:05:59 PM »

I think this one is tricky. If I was to list those I've had it would look like this:

Gray Nicolls: My custom Dynadrive is a beast and that is a massive over delivery.

Alfred: Paul was great to deal with, the bat is decent enough, but I chose the wrong shape. I think this was a delivered to expectations.

B3: So far, delivered to expectations in terms of what I received and how it's made, plus service. Needs to be tested.

Hunts County: Was always a fan, and again, I think the bat I have delivers to expectations.

Instinct: Sadly no longer with us, but the bat I was provided with is superb. Over delivered.

Laver: I don't think any of my Lavers have under delivered, but then I've always got them at a price point I was happy with. To expectations I'd say.

Heritage Cricket: Bat was much heavier than expected and ended up in the team kitbag. Under delivered for me, though the service was good and he did offer to take some weight off, so brought it back to what I'd expect of a good bat maker.

H4L: Got what it said on the tin. Delivered to expectations.

SAF: Massively underdelivered, then fixed it.

I've only listed those who have made me custom bats as I can't see how you can class an off the shelf brand as over or under delivering.
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2014, 09:17:14 PM »

GN - paid 150 for a ignite carbo, was a cracking bat.
Kook kahuna 600 and 1000, 600 was good but the 1000 was awesome.
H4l - devil hellfire... Only lasted about 4 weeks as it split on me :( went like a train though and was huge for 2.8
RPC - gun.. Simple as
Blueroom is actually a gun but not the cannon the RPC is.

Had a g1 aldred good sovereign and that went like stink, however was way to bottom heavy for me

Mainly tbh all the bats have been good, probably not 200 quids worth really for a bat but as we all know, things are over priced now.
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2014, 10:13:26 PM »

GM Apex 606 - Actually split the edge during knocking in the wood was so bad!!!
GN Powerbow 5 star...not brilliant but good enough
GN Ignite 4 Star , fantastic bat, used it for 3 seasons in a row, middle has gone now though!
Kookaburra Recoil 450 - Not the pingiest bat ive used but certainly the most comfortable to use!

Had a Woodworm Torch back in the day which was good until the handle became unglued and all power just died!

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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2014, 10:17:23 PM »

Ah the good old woodworms!
If they didn't come with a free split, they'd have the handle pop out!
If neither of those things happened you'd have surface crack galore.

Didn't dtop me buying a 2nd one! ;)
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2014, 01:00:18 AM »

GM - Overdelivered. I purchased an Argon OLE from PDS, which was lovely, a little blemishy on the outside edge, but was all sapwood and had 7 straight and even grains. However, there were these strange cracks on the outside edge, so I emailed GM about it. (Had emailed about a cracked bat first, which I didn't expect anything from) Steve from Unicorn told me to send it back to GM themselves, and the day after they received the bat, I received a letter, telling me that it would be replaced. (Friday) So Monday comes along, and I receive the new Argon, which is a little grainier, has a hard bar, and felt a little harder. However, after some knocking and tapping up, safe to say I was very pleased, and happy with how quickly GM sorted it out. I thought they would tell me to go through the retailer, but was nice of them to replace the bat so quickly. Had 3 Argons pass through my hands, all of which are/were exceptional bats. Sad to see it dropped from this years range, as I am not a big fan of the Octane! (Still the Aura should be good!)

GN/Lords - Underdelivered. Sent a bat for a rehandle under warranty near the end of June, and received it back... At the beginning of September! This was partly due to GN taking their sweet ass time, but also the staff at Lords seemed completely incompotent, they must have taken 2 weeks or so to deliver the bat back!

Laver - Overdelivered. Laver made me a Reserve around April of 2013 I think, which was incredible. I was initially not too impressed from the photos, but when I received it, I was in love with the bat. Safe to say they overdelivered too by letting me send the bat to them for a free refurb/repair, thanks to some delamination problems, and I also ordered a copy of the bat. The copied bat itself I feel actually exceeds the original, which is an overdeliver in my books! (Not actually used the copy yet, but in terms of pick up and responsiveness, seems to be better)

H4L - As expected. Great bats, but as expected. The current H4L bat I've got is currently being knocked in, and I feel that may sway my opinion slightly! :)

Red Ink - Underdelivered/overdelivered. Asked for a custom made G1 bat. I said I cared a lot about it being a decent size for the weight, and didn't really care too much about the looks. Ended up getting a pretty ugly looking bat, (Would have graded it a G3/4) and it responded pretty well, but wasn't exceptional. (John had gotten the cleft as a G1 from his supplier) Couldn't get on with it, so shifted it on. I did purchase a middling bat too, which John overdelivered on. I think I paid £45 posted for one back then, and the finishing on that was top notch. He also shapes a cracking oval handle. Partly my fault that the bat was underdelivered, as I went for a slightly lower weight, but also because I didn't pick my cleft, and I think because it didn't look in any way aesthetically pleasing, I wasn't so impressed.

Salix - Underdelivered. Purchased my one from Paul at IJC, and to be honest, it was pretty bottom heavy. (Pod Players) Lovely bat, my brother took it out my kitbag, but with all the talk about how Kember balances bats to perfection and makes them pick up exceptionally, safe to say I was pretty disappointed! I did get a HH Super G1 which picked up really nicely however. (Not entirely sure it was made my AJK though)

Newbery - Underdelivered/As expected. Hard to gauge this one, the Tour I bought, it felt odd in the hands. It was a cracking bit of willow however, and I feel that it was thanks to my fear of damaging it (Had sought after it for a while) I couldn't wield it properly. Had such a large playing area, and looked stunning!

Vantage - Overdelivered. My first custom bat experience, and had set the benchmark for the customer service I expect from Custom bat suppliers. It was back when Mattw ran it, and I had requested for 2 big copies of the Series 1 and 3 profiles with no concaving. First bat I received was actually a concaved Series 3, which was a little disappointing, as it was so nice! (This was my fault, as I had originally asked for a Shadow profile, so the batmaker had already started concaving the bat when he received the altered request) The bats I received in the end were beauties, but ended up going slightly lighter as I got unfitter. (They were 2.13)


Plenty more I'm sure, but this will do. :D

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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2014, 06:38:25 AM »

Never had a custom made bat.

All the bats I have used have been decent, best by a long long way was the MH.
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2014, 06:54:01 AM »

Interesting to see a few players saying Scat and L&W under delivered. A few years ago never heard a ad word about either.

Thats what happens when your brand gets more exposure. Law of averages means that not every bat will be a gun. I've had about 8 Lavers and 2 of them were average. The other 6 were out of this world.

B3 are the flavour of the month/year and Id be very surprised if they continue on their god like following at the moment.

I bought a H4L for the first time and was underwhelmed. Nice bat but for the price and Grade1 tag...
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2014, 07:59:05 AM »

Overdeliver - Puma UK range bats (Puma Karbon 6000, Puma Calibre 6000). Just the perfect weight and pick up!. Great bats!
Underdeliver- GN Strauss Powerbow Le - a good bat but can't get along with the weight and pickup. just a bit heavy for me even though it weighs 2.88 (same as the calibre, but the calibre picks up and feels much better)
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2014, 08:27:06 AM »

What do people expect from a bat that makes them underwhelmed?

It's can't be performance as that is very hard to judge without going out and using it so it must only be looks, correct weight and shape and most importantly customer service?
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2014, 08:32:00 AM »

What do people expect from a bat that makes them underwhelmed?

It's can't be performance as that is very hard to judge without going out and using it so it must only be looks, correct weight and shape and most importantly customer service?

Yeah to performance? The thread is about underwhelming not just having seen it, but as a whole having used the bat
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2014, 08:33:49 AM »

What do people expect from a bat that makes them underwhelmed?

It's can't be performance as that is very hard to judge without going out and using it so it must only be looks, correct weight and shape and most importantly customer service?

Performance is the only reason anyone wants a Bat?

Are you really gonna say, "well this is a plank that is absolutely dead and vibrates my arms/hands every time I hit the ball, but it's got nice grains, great pick up, and is the correct weight, so I'll give it ten out of ten and say it is my favourite bat ever"
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2014, 08:39:50 AM »

My apologies, I didn't quite read this thread right!

I suppose after using it you are well placed to say it's a plank!

How many people on here have used 1 bat exclusively for a full season or 2 to say they are underwhelmed by it?

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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2014, 08:46:08 AM »

Tbh. Not many. Probably my current n3. And a few gray nics have done a season or more.


But then I'm not a professional. I play twice a week(off which I pay to play) and rarely get to net in the summer.
When I play cricket I want to performe. Which means if I bat is not doing what it's should after 5 games. It gets replaced with another. Or back to the previous model.

Life is too short to play with a dud bat imo.

But them you sell them.on and someone more patient gets a bat cheap and hopefully a gun when it eventually "opens up"
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Re: Overdeliver or underdeliver
« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2014, 09:10:44 AM »

I think most players only require 1or 2 innings or nets to know if they are underwhelmed with there new bats feel and pickup etc i knew after using my Aldred Butterfly once it was heavy for its weight and the Blackcat Shadows balance felt odd in the hands.
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