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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2014, 09:00:41 PM »

I like this bat, grains check, character check, decent shape check.

Shame it's so light.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #31 on: November 04, 2014, 09:13:39 PM »

If that is true Tushar, then it is a clear case of fraud. I know in other industries, bigger stores can buy left over stock in auction or by weight etc. but if the brands are sending their lower end products labelled as higher ends then it is criminal.

Do not get me on fraud there a few UK MAKERS who are most definably not made here at all.

At least you know Dan made this bat Chase bats are great sticks always have been glad to see a few on here a great brand.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #32 on: November 04, 2014, 09:29:56 PM »

If that is true Tushar, then it is a clear case of fraud. I know in other industries, bigger stores can buy left over stock in auction or by weight etc. but if the brands are sending their lower end products labelled as higher ends then it is criminal.
Yet is it possible for anyone to prove they're doing this?
With no set grading for willow it's down to the brands discretion, so if anyone questions it they can just say "no, we class all clefts like that as X-grade".

Disclaimer - this is an example only, this is a total work of fiction I have made up.
I am not implying any brands would actually do this.

Totally fictional scenario
Brand 1 put all their bestest bats out for those who hand pick their stock. They set dates so they know when to have their showy willow on display. Once they've all been hand picked by the retailers, they'll have a load of unstickered bats left, to grade at their discretion.

Shop A, who does not hand pick orders 4 G1, 4 G2 and 4 G3 bats from Brand 1.
Brand 1's (delete as appropriate) owner/bat maker/cleaner/whoever is responsible for picking and sticking bats picks up 4 G2 bats and stickers them as G1, 4 'better looking' G3 bats and stickers them as G2, then picks 4 mingin' clefts and puts G3 stickers on there.
Shop A receives their stock and can see the clear difference in grading between the bats, they're happy, and Brand 1 are laughing.
End of totally fictional scenario

Final disclaimer - the above scenario was a total work of fiction. I made the story and names up myself.
Anything that is seemingly a reference to any real life brands is totally coincidental, I do not wish to imply or accuse any brand of carrying out such practices, and nor have I at any time in this post.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #33 on: November 04, 2014, 09:34:26 PM »

May not work for all the hand picking business but c'on calling it rubbish seem unfair. You may not like a bat but at least experienced retailers will/should pick the better of the lot.

As for the bat, really don't see why people are not liking the look, seem a decent stick.

That's just my view hand picking may and probably does mean that a bat will look better than some others but it's just not possible to go through them all in the majority of cases so you can't say these are the best x amount of bats available in the range etc. Also what the retailer may handpick could be what they would choose themselves hence handpicked.

The problem at the end of the day is the subject is so open to opinion we see on every topic peoples views about each bat and grading is so different across each brand.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #34 on: November 04, 2014, 09:39:52 PM »

Anyway - while we're on the topic of Chase - they're cracking bats, here is a picture of my 175 (now known as R11) from the other night.
Will get some better pictures and do a proper thread on it if anyone is interested?



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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2014, 09:40:50 PM »

Hand picking was always a crock of rubbish I always did say it

ULTIMATLY IF YOU GO TO THE SHOP YOU HAND PICK it

As for this bat people better get used to seeing this as the best (I have no issue with the look of this bat) but with willow supply at a shortage next season especially the higher grade there will be a knock on effect on the smaller brands ability to command top grade willow
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2014, 09:46:30 PM »

I think the fact that fewer and fewer brands actually give any indication of grade makes many of these points moot. Kookaburra have always used terms like 'premier league willow' while GN do it in the best percentage of the tree. Ie the legend comes from the best 1% etc, they also grow their own so don't go through JS Wrights grading

I have stated my thoughts on handpicking for performances a few times. If people were really hitting bats with a mallet and/or bouncing a ball on them enough times to get a judgement on performance then they wouldn't actually see many bats even if they spent the whole day at the factory/warehouse. In my opinion you can't really make judgment on a bats performance from a few hits with a mallet/bouncing a ball on it anyway.
Of course it is easy to identify the bats that have trampoline characteristics and also easy to discard bats that feel totally dead.

Handpicking is mostly looks and also pickup/feel (of course both are my opinion and not what everyone wants/likes, though I get requests for bats that  pickup/feel very different to my own preference and I haven't had any complaints yet, so hopefully im a good judge of what people want)

I go handpicking because I love a day out at a cricket bat facility, it's fun, informative and adds a personal touch to everything we stock. It's nice to be able to pick out bats for customers who have particular requests but overall most of our stock has no particular customer in mind. So we are selecting bats that we think look/feel the best at each price point. It's great to be able to pick out some bats at lower grades that look fantastic, it also ensures we can be certain that every single top end bat looks as good as a customer expects. Equally being able to discard bats that feel a bit planky (of course they may open up but 9/10 customers judge a bat on the performance it gives in the first few uses) and taking a punt on an absolute canon with iffy looks is good too

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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2014, 09:52:25 PM »

Good post that don't blame you going around I would enjoy that too all over the place mate
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2014, 09:54:52 PM »

This bat is not an example of hand picked bat. To me hand picking  a bat vs ordering  blind is the same as online shopping for fruits. You just never know.

Not everyone can go and select their own bats so it is good to know that a retailer  is picking  theirs. Will I pay any extra  for it...no

There is no guarantee  either way but I wouldn't  call the  practice rubbish. An expert retailer  is less likely to pick  up a storm damaged  or dodgy grade bat than your average  salesman/warehouse worker etc.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2014, 09:56:13 PM »

Perks of the job!

Some people get big bonus's, some get company cars, Jake gets to play with bats all day!

Better than working 80h weeks and then being called lazy by the government! ???
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2014, 09:58:02 PM »



Better than working 80h weeks and then being called lazy by the government! ???
they are obviously  watching  your forum posts :-)
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2014, 09:58:49 PM »

This bat is not an example of hand picked bat. To me hand picking  a bat vs ordering  blind is the same as online shopping for fruits. You just never know.

Not everyone can go and select their own bats so it is good to know that a retailer  is picking  theirs. Will I pay any extra  for it...no

There is no guarantee  either way but I wouldn't  call the  practice rubbish. An expert retailer  is less likely to pick  up a storm damaged  or dodgy grade bat than your average  salesman/warehouse worker etc.
I wouldn't be so sure, I think you'll find storm damage is near impossible to spot on a finished bat.

Some brands (M&H spring to mind) offer storm damaged bats for sale (a bargain at £100 off RRP) but provide zero warranty. If it wasn't in the bargain bin as storm damaged willow you'd never know!
Also its pot luck anyway, a storm damaged bat could break first ball or last years...
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2014, 09:59:27 PM »

they are obviously  watching  your forum posts :-)

Wouldn't be surprised... Anything to save money so they can afford to pay for the MPs 35% pay rise this year!
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #43 on: November 04, 2014, 11:11:58 PM »

It's quite right some storm damaged batsdo get thru the grading and get sold as 'normal' bats
But it's not quite true to say they can't be spotted, it's a bit like a mechanic looking at a car to buy-you think it's great and a good deal,he is looking at something different and may well spot something you can't see
I went to Salix once to get a bargain bin bat and Andrew showed me what to look for on the bat in the storm damaged ones
I bought that bat but he told me it may not last very long.He was perfectly up front and I went away with more knowledge of what to look for than before.
If only I could do that with cars.
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Re: Chase FLC from the Lord's Sale
« Reply #44 on: November 04, 2014, 11:17:08 PM »

Storm damage is actually quite easy to spot when you hold the bat to the light it's tiny cracks that tend to run across the grain. Having said that I got one for Fattus 2 seasons ago and from my knowledge it's still going strong. It's a complete lottery with a storm damaged bat .
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