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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #45 on: November 28, 2014, 08:26:39 AM »

@eukaryote76 I think perception of risk is the critical issue. There has been a lot of discussion about making people wear helmets, stopping delivery types, etc. These are classic examples of misunderstanding risk and over reliance on authority to step in where personal responsibility should play its part. Personally I wear a helmet because I am much happier without the concern that I am going to be hit in the face. Off any bowler.

On the topic of risk, how good is any of us? The likelihood of dying from a cricket ball impact is negligible. The impact of dying from the impact of a cricket ball is extreme. Is that a very high, high, medium, or low risk? How can I mitigate what happens to make the risk lower. Do I mitigate the likelihood of being hit or of the impact?

Back to wearing the helmet. In my view the impact is too high to not wear a helmet, even though I've never had a ball hit me in the head in 25 years of playing. I still prefer to get out of the way than try and hook though.

On the topic specifically, the future will be little changed and while we may see some shape changes to try and address these issues, I don't expect to see a huge amount differ.
I do agree with most of what you're saying
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #46 on: November 28, 2014, 08:29:46 AM »

There are high potential injury risks in cricket not only for batsmen. With the kind of powerful shots being played these days, I fear for the umpires and the bowlers on the follow through as they wear no protection.
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« Reply #47 on: November 28, 2014, 08:48:04 AM »

IF helmets were to be made compulsory, then the ecb should investigate a way to produce a top quality helmet for a reasonable price. The costs of helmets are stupid now, and I can see the makers just charging more and cashing in.. Instead, if we want everyone to wear it you make it cheap enough that it's easy to buy.. Yes, £50 isn't cheap either..
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« Reply #48 on: November 28, 2014, 08:58:30 AM »

one thing that has only been mentioned briefly in this debate, and it's good that it's all discussed in the light of the sad events this week-is the standard of pitches we play on
I don't know about you guys but unless we have a lovely Sunday fixture, we are playing on very average uneven bounce Council prepared tracks in Middlesex.the bounce is not even

2 years back our ones played against Theo Modest on a poor wicket in Harrow and we were lucky not have any injuries....

Maybe most of this forum play on good decks but i'm sure there are Middlesex league players on here.
So the chances are you will get hit from an uneven bounce are far greater than an acutual bouncer

Agree re the standards of pitches. I play in the lower echelons of the Kent league and some tracks I've played on over the last couple of years have been an accident waiting to happen
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #49 on: November 28, 2014, 09:30:54 AM »

IF helmets were to be made compulsory, then the ecb should investigate a way to produce a top quality helmet for a reasonable price. The costs of helmets are stupid now, and I can see the makers just charging more and cashing in.. Instead, if we want everyone to wear it you make it cheap enough that it's easy to buy.. Yes, £50 isn't cheap either..

What value does a person put on ones health and wellbeing?
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« Reply #50 on: November 28, 2014, 09:55:22 AM »

What value does a person put on ones health and wellbeing?

For those that can afford better protection, most will buy. But not everyone that plays the wonderful game can afford top of  the line.

Imagine a single mum 3 kids who struggles to make ends meet. All 3 kids want to play cricket but she can only afford 1 £75 helmet. Which son does she choose to let play?

So in that I believe procricket1982 makes a valid point and a ecb/government subsidised lid should be on the market for around 20-25 quid mark.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #51 on: November 28, 2014, 10:28:12 AM »

one thing that has only been mentioned briefly in this debate, and it's good that it's all discussed in the light of the sad events this week-is the standard of pitches we play on
I fully agree, this is an area the ECB need to review and invest in at all amateur levels.
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« Reply #52 on: November 28, 2014, 10:32:53 AM »

The events that have happened over the last few days have been tragic and possibly the worst the cricket community has ever had to face but I really do feel that regarding safety and helmets and banning bouncers people are going completely over the top.

Cricket has been played for hundreds of years the majority of those very years were played on very sporting wickets, not wearing helmets and with pretty ropey protection of the rest of the body. During this time yes, there has been injuries, some quite severe but nobody has ever died. During the same period have many have died playing football, rugby or horse riding?

Indeed it could be said that helmets in some ways have made the situation worse. Children are now coached and protected from a young age and never get to learn that a cricket ball hurts when it hits you. This coaching and protection breeds players that don't look at the ball when there playing pull and hooks and don't ever consider ducking or weaving out of the way.

Don't get me wrong I don't think kids, amateurs or professionals should ever be playing or practising without helmets I just think we need to put things in perspective and think about what really matters, which is that a young guy has lost his life playing the game he and we love.

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« Reply #53 on: November 28, 2014, 10:56:57 AM »

The ECB / BBC did a scheme were clubs could get 2 or 3 junior helmets for free i think. this was a few years back before helmet technology and safety standards took off like thye have recently. Im sure something simialr could be done again.
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« Reply #54 on: November 28, 2014, 11:04:14 AM »

Luckily the worse the pitch generally the lower the bounce. As PPCCopener said earlier the council pitches in Middlesex are shocking. And that's because the council have sub contracted it all out so they no longer have the knowledge base to know when the contractor is not doing what is on the bill of works. The pitches hadn't been rolled for three years because the contractors roller was broken, The council are still paying them to roll. When they did get it fixed they rolled the wicket twice in a year on both occasions during a hot dry period without watering the wicket. Frankly having the same effect as rolling a digestive biscuit. The pitches haven't had fertilizer or worming, both of which is on their bill of works and charged to the council. I have told the council this and they couldn't give a ****** blaming the state of the pitches on a lack of finance. Which is rubbish. They just don't check that what they (we) pay for is actually done.
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« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2014, 11:07:12 AM »

I've never worn a helmet and never been hit but have started this year. Why? because we have started practicing with a sidearm pro.
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2014, 11:20:20 AM »

I've never worn a helmet and never been hit but have started this year. Why? because we have started practicing with a sidearm pro.
I hate those things!!
Quicker than the guy can bowl, less accurate and a total lottery as to which muppet picks it up!

We've got a new ish (built 3 years ago) net that has a lip between grippy Astro for the bowlers run up and synthetic grass wickety bit. Great when you're bowling, with the sidearm balls will either take off or skid at ankle height of you hit this lip.

So you can get either a Yorker, a Beamer, a vicious bouncer or a grubber at any given time! It's just like playing on a council pitch actually!  :D
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2014, 11:22:12 AM »

The ECB / BBC did a scheme were clubs could get 2 or 3 junior helmets for free i think. this was a few years back before helmet technology and safety standards took off like thye have recently. Im sure something simialr could be done again.

Wasn't there a Lord's Taverners thing not long ago where you'd get a couple of full sets for the junior team kit bag(bats, pads, gloves and helmets)?
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2014, 11:32:51 AM »

For those that can afford better protection, most will buy. But not everyone that plays the wonderful game can afford top of  the line.

Imagine a single mum 3 kids who struggles to make ends meet. All 3 kids want to play cricket but she can only afford 1 £75 helmet. Which son does she choose to let play?

So in that I believe procricket1982 makes a valid point and a ecb/government subsidised lid should be on the market for around 20-25 quid mark.


Or 3 Albions for £75
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Re: The future of Helmets and head protection...
« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2014, 12:06:56 PM »

I've banned everyone except the qualified coaches using a sidearm now. They can be dangerous.
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