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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2014, 07:08:10 AM »

Nail on the head

If participation at club level is down hugely, then something's not working
Village crickets on the decline,,
Club crickets standards are dropping
Without attending a decent private school with whatever privelages that grants,, the chances of playing professionally are minuscule

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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2014, 08:24:31 AM »

They are hugely ignorant and tbh rude in my experience, if you are not in their inner circle you don't exist.
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2014, 08:54:16 AM »

I've mentioned it before on here, and so have many others because you all know, village and club cricket declining is a huge problem that threatens the whole game at grass roots level-the very thing everyone knows is vital and yet no one at the ECB seems to genuinely do anything to protect....
The ECB grants are tailored towards big clubs, big clubs are swallowing up the small clubs,etc,etc...

I also believe the current model does not work but without a complete change of mind-set cricket will continue to decline.There will come a point when the penny finally drops and grass roots becomes a priority again but how and when is anyone's guess.
Has the money the ECB and all the counties got from the SKY deal been re-invested long term?
we know the answer to that I think
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2014, 09:09:40 AM »

When was the grassroots ever a priority?
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2014, 09:17:38 AM »

The ECB grants are tailored towards big clubs, big clubs are swallowing up the small clubs,etc,etc...

This to me is one of the biggest problems, more so than shorter games, earlier start times etc. Big clubs are BAD for the game, both in producing better players but also for actually keeping the game alive... The ECB seem to favour having a  few elite clubs in each area... however, those clubs just poach and pay players rather than produce players.. they keep the few good kids but most of their kids are discarded or become bored of how they are treated by said big clubs so quit the game.


anyway, none of this is new... Pretty much everyone on this forum knows this, can see this.. Sad to say that the development people, the county boards and the ECB for some reason turn a blind eye and continue to fund projects that will have little impact, fund big clubs and only pick from said big clubs.

Just a little sidenote...  Gloucester built a new school and got a large grant from the GCB or ECB (can't remember which sorry)... you are talking 50k+ to build their sportshall.. it's totally unsuited to cricket, for indoor cricket etc.. no viewing area, no roof net, lights have no cages to stop the ball smashing them etc etc.. oh and you have to drag a mat out... What the hell was the point in that. So then when approached to build a CRICKET SPECIFIC site, 10 indoor lanes, 2 indoor pitches, viewing area etc etc... they decline..... very very strange decisions. One will do nothing to promote/maintain cricket.. the other could potentially have been a hub for a county.. very strange decisions
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2014, 09:38:33 AM »

they just want to play politics with the government makes them feel important. Chance to shine is spread all over the media, but anyone whose from a club and has actually done it know's that in the majority of schools its a complete waste of money. But its lauded as a huge success. Great 100,000 kids who don't want to play cricket have been made to. All the kids in my schools who were interested were already at clubs anyway. Grants and money available only for disabled and girls cricket. I would guess that's about 0.5% of the cricketing population at most. Also money for south asian cricket development, a community that's already nuts about the game. The people who need to be encouraged are from the white working class and west Indian communities.
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2014, 09:46:50 AM »

This to me is one of the biggest problems, more so than shorter games, earlier start times etc. Big clubs are BAD for the game, both in producing better players but also for actually keeping the game alive... The ECB seem to favour having a  few elite clubs in each area... however, those clubs just poach and pay players rather than produce players.. they keep the few good kids but most of their kids are discarded or become bored of how they are treated by said big clubs so quit the game.


anyway, none of this is new... Pretty much everyone on this forum knows this, can see this.. Sad to say that the development people, the county boards and the ECB for some reason turn a blind eye and continue to fund projects that will have little impact, fund big clubs and only pick from said big clubs.

Just a little sidenote...  Gloucester built a new school and got a large grant from the GCB or ECB (can't remember which sorry)... you are talking 50k+ to build their sportshall.. it's totally unsuited to cricket, for indoor cricket etc.. no viewing area, no roof net, lights have no cages to stop the ball smashing them etc etc.. oh and you have to drag a mat out... What the hell was the point in that. So then when approached to build a CRICKET SPECIFIC site, 10 indoor lanes, 2 indoor pitches, viewing area etc etc... they decline..... very very strange decisions. One will do nothing to promote/maintain cricket.. the other could potentially have been a hub for a county.. very strange decisions
Great example of the ineptitude at the ECB and county level.
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2014, 01:23:54 PM »

This was published by the Full Toss Blog today (who have some exceptional bloggers by the way ;) cough)

worth a read
http://www.thefulltoss.com/england-cricket-blog/giles-clarke-is-the-end-in-sight/

Giles Clarke: is the end in sight?
by Maxie Allen - December 9, 2014
As we've seen, horrendously, during the last couple of weeks, there are more important things in the world than ECB politics.

Come what may, though, the cricket world continues to revolve on its axis. And with each revolution comes another reminder of the caustic mundanities of everyday life.

Of those, few come as corrosive or toxic as the senior management of England's national governing body. But just possibly, change may be afoot.

Rightly overshadowed by recent events, but interesting nonetheless, was Nick Hoult's report in the Daily Telegraph on 28th November.

Giles Clarke is set to be replaced as chairman of the England and Wales Cricket Board by Yorkshires Colin Graves in January when a radical shake up of the governing body is expected to begin.

Telegraph Sport understands the changes will be discussed with the 18 county chairmen and the MCC at a two day strategic review meeting beginning on Jan 12.

Clarke is likely to be made president of the ECB in a deal with Graves that will allow him to continue to represent the board at the International Cricket Council. It would free Clarke to pursue his ambition of being chairman of the ICC while clearing the way for Graves, the chairman of Yorkshire, to take power at Lords and build a new culture along with the incoming chief executive, Tom Harrison, who officially starts his job in January.

Graves has the backing of the majority of the counties who are desperate for change after becoming increasingly disillusioned with the running of the ECB during a terrible year for the game in this country.

It has become clear in recent weeks that if it went to a vote between Clarke, who has been chairman of the ECB since 2008, and Graves, then the Yorkshireman would win. Clarkes third term of office is due to end in March and if he were to lose an election he would also see his chances of becoming chairman of the ICC disappear.

Clarkes powerbase has weakened as support of the counties has drifted away. There is huge dissatisfaction within the county game with how the ECB is run and the emphasis placed on the England team.

Sources have complained that turnover at the ECB has increased in recent years from 80-140m but the amount filtering down to the counties, around 40m, has not changed.

There are also fears that counties are at risk of financial implosion as the cost of hosting matches and running clubs rises while attendances fall.

The relaunching of the Twenty20 Cup last year only had limited impact on attendances, particularly at the larger Test match grounds. The move to play matches on a Friday night was popular with some counties but at many grounds it had negligible impact. This comes at a time when counties see the huge popularity of Twenty20 tournaments in India, Australia and the West Indies.



Let's assume for now that we can take Hoult's copy at face value. True, none of this has been officially confirmed, but Hoult would not have run the story unless he were very confident of its provenance. What reason would his sources have to invent this tale?

My first reaction, and probably yours too, is joy and relief. In the words of Bob Dylan, we shall be released. Finally, after seven years of nefarious tyranny, this cancerous despot is being crowbarred away from the principal levers of power.

With the possible exception of Gubby Allen the main player in the deselection of Basil D'Oliveira to appease South Africa's apartheid regime Clarke is the greatest scoundrel in the history of English cricket.

This is the man who, before acceding to the chairmanship, as ECB chair of marketing, drove through the transfer of cricket from terrestrial to subscription TV in 2004.

This is the man who since then has fought tooth and nail to keep cricket on Sky and away from the prying eyes of the mass public. To him, people watching the game on unlicensed websites constitutes the "biggest danger" to cricket.

This is the man who sold us down the river. During his tenure as chair, Clarke has systematically transformed English cricket into a sport exclusively for the monied elite, through a regime of ticket hyperinflation, and a extortionate bidding process for the hosting of international fixtures which has jeopardised cricket's entire economy.

This is the man who turned England's cricketers into money-making machines. By relentlessly pumping ever more fixtures into the schedule, swelling it as grotesquely as a foie gras goose liver, he has not only compromised performance and results but damaged the players health and sanity and all for no purpose than lining the ECB's coffers.

This is the man whose board punished players for expressing interest in the IPL, but who posed on the Lord's outfield with a crook and his box of cash.

This is the man who cut the deal for the Big Three. And this is the man whose sole response to Pietersen-gate was to say that English supporters must move on.

Very regrettably, Clarke won't be going completely. This man has no shame. Despite effectively being sacked by the counties, his ego and vanity prevent him from leaving the stage with dignity. Instead, Clarke has demanded the creation of a new and prestigious role, just for him, so he can continue to strut the world stage and besmirch our international reputation. He will still represent us abroad.

Hurrah to the counties for finally seeing sense, although judging by what Hoult reports, their motives for unseating Clarke are entirely self-centred. Of course, we don't know exactly what they're thinking, and many county chairs may have been influenced by the harm he has done to cricket in general.

The health of the counties is vital for English cricket, and they are entitled to fight their corner. But the dynamic behind Clarke's downfall highlights the core structural problem with the governance of English cricket. The ECB chair is elected by the county bosses, so the board will always act in the interests of the counties, and no one else - certainly not the supporters.

We'll talk about Colin Graves in more detail another time. Will he be better than Clarke? He can't be worse.

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PS: we are very touched and flattered by Dmitri's piece about us yesterday. I hope we can sometimes live up to his very kind words. And at the risk of self-indulgence, if there's any admiration going on, the feeling is entirely mutual.


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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2014, 01:52:21 PM »

It would free Clarke to pursue his ambition of being chairman of the ICC
And this is the root of the problem, self serving for his own rewards. Any one who has ambitions of such roles is usually the wrong person to be in the role.
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2014, 02:02:40 PM »

And this is the root of the problem, self serving for his own rewards. Any one who has ambitions of such roles is usually the wrong person to be in the role.

that is exactly right :)
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2014, 02:08:43 PM »

The huge problem in English professional sport at the top level is the unyielding desire to make as much money as possible, to the detriment of; grass-roots development, a quality product, talent ID and affordable access to watch and play the game in question - and I'm not just talking about cricket.

Nothing I've seen, from working in the industry for over 15 years, has convinced me otherwise.  Especially when that money isn't being directed where its needed...
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2014, 02:15:47 PM »

So this is what KP's banking on?
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2014, 02:17:21 PM »

perhaps the ECB are saving up for a nice new office in Dubia
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Re: ECB Questionnaire made up by Cricinfo
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2014, 02:18:51 PM »

So this is what KP's banking on?
As long as he gets a pay cheque he wont care who or where it's from.
Saying he wants to play for England again is just a way of keeping himself in the spotlight!
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2014, 04:40:56 PM »

And this is the root of the problem, self serving for his own rewards. Any one who has ambitions of such roles is usually the wrong person to be in the role.

yes yes yes


modern world says these people have 'ambition'.. I think that anyone who pursues power is the WRONG person to give that power actually to! You want that guy who is the real power behind the success but never blows their trumpet.. usually they don't even bother trying for promotions as they get frustrated as the idiots the business promotes ahead.
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