Topic: Big bash 2015 (Read 58234 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #165 on:** January 04, 2015, 04:58:43 PM »

Has to be city based really, mainly because otherwise you get all the counties squabbling.

The ecb should pump money into it to ensure stars are attracted and tickets are cheap (I'm thinking u18's free, and everyone else �5. Ok, you can say it's too cheap but is the point to make money?? Or to raise crickets profile?

All revenue from the grounds, tv etc is given back to the ecb and they then put it towards the prize fund for county cricket. That way, t20 gets people interestd and provides the funds to make Lvcc financially the most reward for counties.

I'd also say the ecb should stop subsidising counties, Ifrom they can't be financially stable then they need to cut costs.. Simple as. Oh and make the league structure open so counties and go up and down.. I've Devon for example could raise its level etc.. Or glos could fall down. This non relegation is bad for the sport and breeds the weak administration, weak coaching and weak players we have now.

Sam · « **Reply #166 on:** January 04, 2015, 05:04:49 PM »

Problem you have there is the difference in level of professionalism of the minor counties and first class counties.

It's very easy to say cut all ECB funding but if you look at the commonly referenced telegraph article, Gloucestershire would be the only ones making a profit without them in the recorded year.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #167 on:** January 04, 2015, 05:30:06 PM »

Quote from: Sam on January 04, 2015, 05:04:49 PM

Problem you have there is the difference in level of professionalism of the minor counties and first class counties.

It's very easy to say cut all ECB funding but if you look at the commonly referenced telegraph article, Gloucestershire would be the only ones making a profit without them in the recorded year.

If you aren't making a profit, cut wages/staff etc

Ecb should put that money instead in a pot and use it as prize money in the Lvcc. Make 4 day crixket worth being the best at. Rather than get a free 1m from the ecb, if you win the Lvcc title you get 5m.. Counties would be incentivised to produce long format players. Good for the game, good for england. Franchises produce the interst and cash for th ecb etc.

It really is only politics stopping it. Counties trying to save their bacon and keep,earning earning mone
Put every t20 game on TV, run it over 5 weeks to make it short. Put every Lvcc game online, like that Aussie site. No one shows them anyway so they might as well do a basic coverage for people.

Sam · « **Reply #168 on:** January 04, 2015, 05:43:51 PM »

A lot of counties already do highlights of LVCC games online and it's already mandatory for them to be record them so I don't see why they don't get live streamed. Looking still at the figures at most counties if you were to cut the funding you would have to cut all non-playing staff members at the club to break even (by those years figures). You can't just cut a few costs to save nearly 2 million in most cases. If the ECB want to cut down the funding at all they somehow have to make the cricket more profitable for the counties.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #169 on:** January 04, 2015, 05:51:45 PM »

Quote from: Sam on January 04, 2015, 05:43:51 PM

A lot of counties already do highlights of LVCC games online and it's already mandatory for them to be record them so I don't see why they don't get live streamed. Looking still at the figures at most counties if you were to cut the funding you would have to cut all non-playing staff members at the club to break even (by those years figures). You can't just cut a few costs to save nearly 2 million in most cases. If the ECB want to cut down the funding at all they somehow have to make the cricket more profitable for the counties.

Off the top of my head

How many JNR sides do counties run? How many 'coaches' for said squads. How much is spent on the corporate people who really aren't needed. Do the players need to go to South Africa for a jolly pre season for fitness? Yes of you can afford it, if you can't.. Don't

To me, county grounds should all run a retail outlet, it should be one of the big boys in retail (so the profits go to the county), they should run coaching courses (rather than all these randoms like gecko).. They should go around their county doing it, all would earn some more money and increase the overall game.

I mean, a 16yr old lad I know is in some winter performance program in glos, and will play 'county' this summer... He won't make it while he's got a hole in his back side.. So why go to the expense.. Just leave them to their clubs and then pick them up depending on actual performance in Saturday league cricket.

Crixket would be profitable for a county of they do well in the Lvcc and receive a final place pay out. If you are crap then you pay the price financially.. It's all people understand after all.

Of course, it's all pointless until they get crixket back into state schools and being played by the masses

Sam · « **Reply #170 on:** January 04, 2015, 05:59:23 PM »

I agree with that in the long term, but I think there actually has to be the potential for profits to be made to start with which is primarily down to the ECB.

Junior county sides I'm not too sure about though. It's not like they're extremely expensive to run, and a lot of the first team players do develop from there.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #171 on:** January 04, 2015, 06:14:07 PM »

Quote from: Sam on January 04, 2015, 05:59:23 PM

I agree with that in the long term, but I think there actually has to be the potential for profits to be made to start with which is primarily down to the ECB.

Junior county sides I'm not too sure about though. It's not like they're extremely expensive to run, and a lot of the first team players do develop from there.

Do they develop because of the 'pathways', or in spite of it? Would they progress just as much playing for whatever club they play for just as much?

Jnr teams aren't expensive in themselves, but when you start to add up all the age groups, boys, girls, disabled etc etc.. How much do boards pay 'development' officers? I suppose I think that these things need looking at, rather than just keep blindly pumping money into them.

Talent will come through the clubs, and you can pick on performances then. Take away the club bias and bank of mum/dad as you can play for the 'big' club, but if you aren't getting a game as there are two or three others ahead thrn you move to get game time. So strengthening the overall clubs as well.

Just honk, if the ecb had an account with gn, GM, kook and then just distributed it around the grounds etc... They'd get stock cheaper than anyone..

Sam · « **Reply #172 on:** January 04, 2015, 06:23:31 PM »

I agree, in many cases it's not an ideal situation however I feel that you still get the occasional first team regular come through it and the higher level of coaching and focus with more regular training is clearly going to aid their development. Even if 1/10 go on to play first team cricket its still worthwhile in my eyes. County district junior squads are something I don't quite agree with as much though.

Stuey · « **Reply #173 on:** January 04, 2015, 07:44:48 PM »

County cricket is bloated with youth players who will never make it, strip it back to the bare bones, 1 senior squad, a 2nd eleven made up of the senior squad and league players and get the youth coming through league cricket rather than all these waste of time youth programmes. Get the ecb to put money in to schools cricket and improving grass root cricket (playing facilities) rather than feeding the counties debt. The ecb can run programmes for those really talented youngsters who have made it through league and county cricket.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #174 on:** January 04, 2015, 07:53:43 PM »

Quote from: Stuey on January 04, 2015, 07:44:48 PM

County cricket is bloated with youth players who will never make it, strip it back to the bare bones, 1 senior squad, a 2nd eleven made up of the senior squad and league players and get the youth coming through league cricket rather than all these waste of time youth programmes. Get the ecb to put money in to schools cricket and improving grass root cricket (playing facilities) rather than feeding the counties debt. The ecb can run programmes for those really talented youngsters who have made it through league and county cricket.

hurray.. finally someone else speaking sense.

of course, saturday league cricket needs to produce players able to play long format cricket.

Sam · « **Reply #175 on:** January 04, 2015, 07:56:45 PM »

Do you agree with county academy sides? I know down here the Hampshire one plays in the local premier league.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #176 on:** January 04, 2015, 07:58:49 PM »

Quote from: Sam on January 04, 2015, 07:56:45 PM

Do you agree with county academy sides? I know down here the Hampshire one plays in the local premier league.

personally no, I don't see how that's any more beneficial than them playing for their club side. Plus, again, it's an expense you don't need given they would already be playing in the same div's anyway. Whether you score 400 runs for the academy side is ECB Prem 1 div or 400 runs for club x in ECB Prem 1 div.. surely it's the same runs??

On the subject of coaching, a few sessions over the winter isn't really going to make a player county class. I'm only guessing of course, but a KP, Fredie Flintoff, Tresco would all have still made it going through league cricket just as much as if they went through the modern player pathway crap they do. Trouble is, if you are running a u15 county team and not one is really good enough then you are wasting time, money.. while at the same time, over inflating those players perceptions of their own ability. meaning we end up with more players demanding payment even though they are poo.

Sam · « **Reply #177 on:** January 04, 2015, 08:04:18 PM »

It however contains players that are on the verge of the 2nd XI team and playing a few games per season and are more certain to be future squad players, so surely giving them county standard coaching is more worthwhile?

I guess the argument from the counties perspective is they've got them on some sort of contract probably already, so why let another county get a crack at them potentially?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #178 on:** January 04, 2015, 08:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Sam on January 04, 2015, 08:04:18 PM

It however contains players that are on the verge of the 2nd XI team and playing a few games per season and are more certain to be future squad players, so surely giving them county standard coaching is more worthwhile?

you can coach players without having them play in a academy side in the saturday league?

Sam · « **Reply #179 on:** January 04, 2015, 08:09:41 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on January 04, 2015, 08:05:25 PM

you can coach players without having them play in a academy side in the saturday league?

You've gotta consider the fact that a lot of them are still in education though so don't have all the free time possible. Surely having them around a county 2nd XI and other high quality players who they may even be playing professionally with in the future is more worthwhile then them being around fellow club players?

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