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Re: English T20
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2015, 01:40:29 PM »

T20 certainly.
OD no objection
Lvcc a little more cautious but we want the bAr raising so maybe in the short term it'd at least potentially raise the level. Trouble is, what 'stars' actually come to play Lvcc now. Not sure I count past its (barring legends like sanga, smith, ponting) as raising the bar.


Oh, a quice look found this Mickey mouse player who was contracted to Kent in 2014.  http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Blake_(cricketer)

Probably not paid 100k a year but still.. Money still being wasted


Yeah, what do Jimmy Adams and Rob Key know about cricket...
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Re: English T20
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2015, 01:44:05 PM »

Yeah, what do Jimmy Adams and Rob Key know about cricket...

More than we do. However, it's about results.. Not producing he goods going by those stats and he's not young.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2015, 01:49:18 PM »

Yeah, what do Jimmy Adams and Rob Key know about cricket...

Doesn't matter what you know about cricket if the talent isn't there to choose from.

You need a squad of 15 players. You have 9 that are definitely county level. 2 that may make it and you've got to find 4 more.

Having knowledge on cricket isnt gonna suddenly make players of county ability appear out of thin air is it??


There isn't enough ability in this country to fill 18 1st xi's.  Never mind the squads needed to replace Injured players and international call ups.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2015, 01:54:50 PM »

Just for added info, Blake averaged 50 with the bat this season in the 2nd XI championship and 36.25 in the 2nd XI T20.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2015, 02:20:26 PM »

Just for added info, Blake averaged 50 with the bat this season in the 2nd XI championship and 36.25 in the 2nd XI T20.

I think he avg'd 30 (give or take) in OD crixket. I was merely going off 1xi (as that's what counts, not 2ndxi) and Lvcc (as that's the yard stick for a player) .  He just happens to be the first person I found, I'd never heard of him before. Purely based off his stats

Maybe 2nd xi isn't of high enough quality to judge ? (Actual question) I mean I face one or two of the Sommerset 2nd xi quicks as training but I'm (No Swearing Please) so they seem good.. However, even I know they won't make it.. Just not got that something.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2015, 02:25:58 PM »

County 2XI's are usually made up of players returning from injury, those on the verge of the side or only in in either the shorter/longer format and then your youth lot as far I've seen.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2015, 02:28:33 PM »

County 2XI's are usually made up of players returning from injury, those on the verge of the side or only in in either the shorter/longer format and then your youth lot as far I've seen.

That's what I assumed. So potentially they'd be better seein how they do on Saturdays if the crixket was slight more relevant and quality raised (by say having less counties for arguments sake). By relevant I mean 50-60 over win/lose/draw crixket to promote proper batting/bowlig and not just prodice limited overs players.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2015, 02:29:47 PM »

How is 2nd XI cricket only there to promote limited overs players  :-[. So you're saying they shouldn't play any form of multi day cricket unless they're in the county 1st XI?
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Re: English T20
« Reply #53 on: January 24, 2015, 02:41:58 PM »

How is 2nd XI cricket only there to promote limited overs players  :-[. So you're saying they shouldn't play any form of multi day cricket unless they're in the county 1st XI?

Did I say 2nd xi promotes limited overs players?? I think I said limited over Saturday stuff will promote that.

The but about multi day stuff is something though, but there is no point playing it if the quality isn't there. Surely makes it meaningless? Avg 50+, then got 1xi and get minced.. Seems the 2xi is a bit too easy on that one players evidence.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #54 on: January 24, 2015, 02:59:06 PM »

Apologies, I mistook your final comment to be referring to Second XI cricket.


Just for comparisons sake to a more experienced player, Geraint jones averaged 35 in the 2nds Championship last season (although he only played 3 games) and 22.5 in the T20s.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #55 on: January 24, 2015, 03:04:46 PM »

Apologies, I mistook your final comment to be referring to Second XI cricket.


Just for comparisons sake to a more experienced player, Geraint jones averaged 35 in the 2nds Championship last season (although he only played 3 games) and 22.5 in the T20s.

Nps, I had to read it again to make sure I hadnt put it down incorrectly :)

I don't doubt these guys are the 'best' counties are currently finding, I really don't. To me, it means their scouting etc isn't upto scratch or the games players are playing aren't teaching the correct mental and technique.  I'm all for giving as many guys a run to see how they do, if they don't make it though, get rid. Don't keep them on the fringe when you know hey aren't good enough.  If you are a county batsmen.. And 25 and you've not broken into the 1st team properly (and scored well - say 30+) then move them on. Never going to make it.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #56 on: January 24, 2015, 03:14:12 PM »

Any one who can add up can see there isn't money in the game to support all the 2nd XI's, youth sides and all the administration, coaches etc that come with it without the handouts from the ECB, cricket isn't football. Each county should have a 1st team squad, then take players from the leagues when needed or form dictates, scrap 2nd XI cricket (I think we've discussed this before). The ECB should then pump money into improving league cricket, grounds, practice facilities etc, which can be used by all levels within the club and local schools. The end goal would be for county teams to have less financial dependencies, a better level of league cricket, with better facilities to develop players for county cricket and for local schools to use to bring youngsters into the game. The ECB could still run u17 u19 etc youth teams for the better young league players who have broken into the county set up (through performances at club level) . The ECB would then stop feeding the bloated counties and instead feed grass roots, getting youngsters into the game and making league cricket the bedrock of our game. Other lower league clubs would also benefit with more youngsters playing the game and finding their own level of cricket.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #57 on: January 24, 2015, 05:34:41 PM »

Doesn't matter what you know about cricket if the talent isn't there to choose from.

You need a squad of 15 players. You have 9 that are definitely county level. 2 that may make it and you've got to find 4 more.

Having knowledge on cricket isnt gonna suddenly make players of county ability appear out of thin air is it??


There isn't enough ability in this country to fill 18 1st xi's.

What utter drivel.
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Re: English T20
« Reply #58 on: January 24, 2015, 05:50:39 PM »

What utter drivel.

Umm, which parts are 'utter drivel'?
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Re: English T20
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2015, 06:17:31 PM »

Umm, which parts are 'utter drivel'?

All of it.
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