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Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« on: May 05, 2015, 08:29:43 PM »

Right guys,
     It's time to start learning another aspect of batting. Facing left arm pace. Currently I just stay on middle stump, open up a bit more and that's it. Not that I have big dramas against it as I don't but I want to improve. So, is thinking about taking a mid/off or off guard instead. Reasons

It brings them fuller and onto my pads - runs
Potential for more leg side wides if hey get it wrong - runs
Easier to leave the one going across - not nicking it!!
In a position to pull for quicker, same with cutting.


So, my question is... Why shouldn't I do it? What is the best way to face leftie in swing/ straight on
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2015, 08:35:57 PM »

If you are good off of your legs then go for it. My dad was a left armer so I was brought up on it and it. Personally I just turn a little towards the bowler.
Whatever works for you.
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2015, 08:41:52 PM »

The best thing to do is take a single and watch from the non strikers end.

As far as moving accross your stumps that makes you more vulnerable to an LBW.
I move from a middle stump guard to 2 leg and open my stance a bit more.

Left arm seamers should be banned though!
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2015, 08:45:53 PM »

The best thing to do is take a single and watch from the non strikers end.

As far as moving accross your stumps that makes you more vulnerable to an LBW.
I move from a middle stump guard to 2 leg and open my stance a bit more.

Left arm seamers should be banned though!
That's showing him more stumps though and makes you more vulnerable,to the across one??
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2015, 08:51:16 PM »

Showing him more stumps - yes

How accurate are these boers you face though? I find that they'll still bowl on/outside off so by moving accross slightly it feeds the drive more.
I'm strong off my pads but, to me at least, taking an off stump guard is playing with fire.
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2015, 09:09:33 PM »

Right guys,
     It's time to start learning another aspect of batting. Facing left arm pace. Currently I just stay on middle stump, open up a bit more and that's it. Not that I have big dramas against it as I don't but I want to improve. So, is thinking about taking a mid/off or off guard instead. Reasons

It brings them fuller and onto my pads - runs
Potential for more leg side wides if hey get it wrong - runs
Easier to leave the one going across - not nicking it!!
In a position to pull for quicker, same with cutting.


So, my question is... Why shouldn't I do it? What is the best way to face leftie in swing/ straight on

Walking LBW, don't do it.

You need to understand how a left arm operates:-

Stock ball - inswinger, tailing from outside off on off/middle. The leftie is looking for bowled through the gate or LBW and you are playing right into his hands. Get to far across and you will lose you leg stick and miss runs going down leg.

Now let's say he's a decent left armer and can swing it both ways (like me). He's going to aim the outswinger at around leg/middle and leg, swinger to just outside off. Hooray you are saying, free runs, err no. You are bringing in LBW to the one that doesn't swing but it full and straight. If it swings then it's a leading edge playing to leg and if it starts wider then you still end up chasing it, but it will be miles outside off.

How to deal with a leftie imho - middle/middle and leg guard. Open up and make sure you front leg is on the line of leg stump. This is your stump guide. If you don't trigger then anything hitting that pad is not out as the angle means it's pitched outside of leg. You back leg is somewhere around middle and you only have 6 inches to move across to cover  if it's the outswinger. Using your legs as guides, when the leftie bowls make a slight movement forward (forward press) and make a second late movement positive when you see the swing - across if it's the outswinger or a wide inswinger, or straight down the wicket for a straight inswinger. By doing this you are keeping your pads out of the way of the inswinger and giving yourself a chance of catching up with the outswinger if it's around off stick. If you have to reach further than that for the outswinger then you should leave it alone. Beauty of setting yourself up like this is you are nullifying the LBW and if the leftie get's too short bowling the outswinger you can pick him off with minimal width. If the inswinger goes too straight you are in a great position to put it through the legside, the outswinger going too straight down the ground. It's about standing still, watching the ball and playing late mostly.
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2015, 09:35:52 PM »

I take middle and leg normally. 

Take leg to left armers.  And stand at a 30 degree angle.

This way if he's too straight he gets driven. If he rattles my pads it's pitched outside leg. And gives me more room to square cut and guide the wider ones.
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2015, 04:16:13 PM »

Its a shame you didn't see yesterdays IPL programme with Warne, Pietersen and Jayawardene.
K P gave his thoughts on the exact same subject.
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2015, 04:24:03 PM »

Ban cack handers full stop!

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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2015, 04:39:13 PM »

Its a shame you didn't see yesterdays IPL programme with Warne, Pietersen and Jayawardene.
K P gave his thoughts on the exact same subject.

Just had a quick look on sky go. Mainly to do with left armers going around the wicket and international players being good enough off their legs to cover the stumps. Not sure you can depend on a blind umpire in club cricket to bail you out if it hits the pad  :D
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Re: Facing left arm pace, standard swing in to a rhb
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2015, 04:44:30 PM »

you have two real options here - both based on knowing the line of one stump.  Either you work as Nick suggests on knowing precisely where your leg stump line is by taking a leg or two guard (therefore allowing you the relative luxury of kicking away balls that don't pitch in line) - or you go over to middle and off with a view to knowing everything you can leave and also having more balls to work to leg.  You can decide based on two factors - the skill of the bowler (the less talented bowler would suggest the latter option, as would a bowler who doesn't really swing the ball) or how you value scoring in the risk/reward stakes - the latter is higher risk, higher reward.

An interesting way of thinking about this is to look at how left handers play right arm swing bowling - the mirror situation.  Some, such as Simon Katich and Graeme Smith, favour the right over option whereas others - Gambhir, Trescothick, Gilchrist - tended to stay leg side of the ball to start.
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