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« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2015, 12:57:50 PM »

Paul I am sure there will always be questions and concerns about any approach. From my point of view atleast you are trying and that's worth something, there will always be skeletons in the closet as there is nothing completely black or white in life or work. Good luck, look forward to IJC's offerings for the season.

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« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2015, 01:04:57 PM »

Paul - when Vitas announced they were going to stock Salix you said this:

"So, despite being much further away, the Kembers have visited Vitas one more time than they've visited us...
Done well to get them up there, Jake! Hope they go better for you than they did for us.."


My understanding from this is that they didn't sell well for you. What's changed and, whilst I applaud your principles, why would you want to carry stock that didn't sell well?
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« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2015, 01:07:09 PM »

Hats off to IJC, it is refreshing to see someone take a stand on something they believe in.

Honesty from suppliers should be a given... Well done and keep up the crusade! 
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« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2015, 01:14:30 PM »

Maybe I am missing something, but I am struggling to see how they are not following our ethos?
"I don’t have a problem with brands that are open about the provenance of their bats and can admit that they don’t manufacture their own."
This is a direct quote from your blog.

"Designed by It's Just Cricket, handmade by Newbery (in England)."
This is a direct quote from your site

Newbery outsource production, just like New Balance do or Slazenger do.
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« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2015, 01:19:10 PM »

I have never visited them, but I think so, and that's why they were one of the companies on my list (of 12 or 13).

Well worth a visit if you can make it - never seen there gear sold anywhere but their own place which is a shame because there softs as well as the bats are class

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« Reply #80 on: October 15, 2015, 01:23:35 PM »

To be clear also, I don't disagree totally with your ethos Paul and admire your principles. As a retailer and the face of these brands for the consumer, you need to choose brands you're happy representing. And I think you have a great wide choice.

I was only questioning why some brands are considered dishonest and others are not, when they are doing similar things. I personally a, not sure honesty in cricket bat making is a totally black and white thing!
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« Reply #81 on: October 15, 2015, 02:19:11 PM »

this escalated quickly!

For the record, Charlie French makes his own handles.
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« Reply #82 on: October 15, 2015, 02:20:10 PM »

"I don’t have a problem with brands that are open about the provenance of their bats and can admit that they don’t manufacture their own."
This is a direct quote from your blog.

"Designed by It's Just Cricket, handmade by Newbery (in England)."
This is a direct quote from your site

Newbery outsource production, just like New Balance do or Slazenger do.

there is some history about their bat makers that makes it a bit different to the brands mentioned.  To some extent, you are correct, but I feel NB or Slazenger don't compare well in this instance.  This is a topic we will not address further on this thread though.  I am surprised the topic itself is being examined less than IJC.

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« Reply #83 on: October 15, 2015, 02:34:29 PM »

Further to what I just posted in this topic, I have just posted a new topic for discussion, which details what brands we are and what brands we aren't stocking in 2016, and how this ties in with our philosophy. If you wish to discuss or examine IJC, please do so on that thread.

If you wish to comment on the original subject matter, then please, go ahead and do it on here - we're always interested in provoking discussion, as long as it stays on topic!

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« Reply #84 on: October 15, 2015, 03:26:50 PM »

OK, I will address Newbery briefly.  I can see your point.  As I said in an earlier post, the word "handmade" may be the only inconsistency, but as the bat makers still do much of the work by hand, it's close to irrelevant in my opinion.

The Platinum bats are all fully made in England - including the harrow ones.  They will all continue to be made here, including the new Bronze, Silver and Gold bats (assuming that we go ahead with them).  We also designed them from scratch and don't just put the stickers on.  Maybe I am missing something, but I am struggling to see how they are not following our ethos?

Whilst this is a great topic, it is very hard for me to comment, I think IJC are trying to develop a USP to differentiate themselves from other retailers / internet sellers.

In my experience people sell “stuff“ and the first thing a successful retailer/brand needs to do is gain the consumers trust, and I think the way the IJC are going about their business is commendable. In this very competitive market some brands (a lot of brands) have to twist the truth to try and gain an advantage over the competition, and I have to say this is one of my pet hates and definitely a room 101 topic for me. There is absolutely nothing wrong with brands buying bats in from other UK makers or India/Pakistan but please be honest about it and don’t put pictures on your website sanding a bat….. The fact that we have spent a considerable amount of money investing in plant & machinery probably taints my viewpoint on this slightly.

Sorry to be pedantic but I don’t think Newbury make their own bats, as I believe TK sold the business 5 or so years ago, so effectively are another white label brand ;-)


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« Reply #85 on: October 15, 2015, 04:58:37 PM »

Thanks Doctor! I think we are trying very hard to distinguish ourselves, and like people say, the handpicking element is about creating an identity for IJC, one which we believe in and can make us happy doing our job.

Newbery has been mentioned by a few people here, and is a bit of a difficult one to categorise really. They might not make them per se, but they have complete control over the manufacturing process. They can make bats to any shape (like the Platinums), they can talk to you in detail about the pressing, the shaping, the shoulder scalloping of the blade etc, they can turn bats around instantly, so they pretty much do make them themselves. Not only that, they have been incredibly open and informative with ourselves (IJC), allowing us to build up a relationship and trust with them. So to say all they do is add the stickers, when actually they design the stickers, the shape, assess the pressing, and do countless other things, is a bit of a misnomer. Hence why we went with them for the Platinum - they offered a unique service, they do it well, and they are an honest company. Simple really!

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« Reply #86 on: October 15, 2015, 05:32:57 PM »

@Beachcricket welcome back :) its been a long long time.

Silently watching from the boundary. I felt this thread was the right time for a comeback.
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« Reply #87 on: October 15, 2015, 05:39:21 PM »

Ahhh whitewillow, loved those blogs

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« Reply #88 on: October 16, 2015, 09:00:39 AM »

Ahhh whitewillow, loved those blogs


Thanks, that's good to hear.

Finally getting back to it, I've certainly been away for a while. Had a lot of things on that were not related to Cricket. White Willow has taken a bit of a hit sadly but I'm coming back strong. Writing the 6000 word Big Edge Myth piece in February before the World Cup took it out of me...

http://www.whitewillowcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-problem/

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« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2015, 11:35:05 AM »

Well that escalated quickly! Jesus! Haha!

Not overly bothered by mainstream bats anymore, since being on here (and being convinced by a teammate), I'm now all about the custom made handmade specialists such as Kippax etc. although Kippax have taken a backseat now as they want more than my paltry budget can afford! Totally agree with the philosophy, although very extreme; I think as long as you guys are open and are able to handpick the bats you stock (as some low grade bats look great, yet some top grade bats look rubbish), then best of luck to it! Hope it works out for you!
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