Topic: Poor Sportsmanship...again (Read 19622 times)

skip1973 · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2015, 10:43:14 AM »

It's a beat up, this would have to be the most timid Aussie team for 50 years. I gotta say I am not a fan of blokes getting all touchy feely and sensitive towards the opposition when they are playing for their country.

Number4 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:14:37 AM »

Quote from: roco on November 17, 2015, 10:36:48 AM

I thought the 2 things to be an aussie fan was

1. ability to swear like a trooper
2. ability to drink all day without falling down

And 2 things to be an English cricketer:

1. To be able to share team secrets with the opposition.
2. Roll over and kiss the captain goodnight

roco · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:18:37 AM »

to be an English cricketer

1. be from the right school/backround
2.not have an opinion and be ready to spoon if asked

if your going to insult us get it right

drink some more concrete it will come

skip1973 · « **Reply #33 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:21:25 AM »

Imagine the sooking if Lillee, Thomson and Border were still playing.

petehosk · « **Reply #34 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:34:45 PM »

Quote from: Bat and Ball Cricket on November 17, 2015, 02:01:13 AM

Lets just clear something up front, yes I'm an Australian and I'll admit a bias.

However, i think its worth just checking on something.

Do you sacrifice congratulating an effort of someone in your own team, just to rub the ego, sorry, shake hands of the guy who just got out after a big score?
The sub fielder took a pretty good, hard catch, in the outfield of the WACA yesterday. Should the Australians have ignored his effort, leaving him in the outfield all by himself and have rushed to Taylor instead, who on his own admission, was out of there as fast as he could?
Call it arrogant if you like, but my view is supporting the efforts of your team mates first and then the opposition second.

Having not played cricket anywhere other than Australia i can't comment to what other countries do.
However, there is an unspoken rule to play hard on the field, with the opposition being an enemy of sorts. While on the oval, there isn't being friendly. There is a line with language, offensive gestures and direct offence that you don't overstep.
But what happens on the field stays on the field.

At the end of the game, everyone shakes hands and 9/10 you share a few beers as one group, not as two opposing teams.

I guess what i'm trying to say, is just because you don't 'shake the guys hand' as he is walking off the field, doesn't mean you don't respect his innings, or value the contribution they have made.

So an Aussie taking a decent catch is a rare thing then? Sorry but ridiculous post!
If someone hits 290 runs at International level then the FIRST THING the fielding team should do is at least give him a pat on the back once he is out! Shake the hand is totally normal for most teams, both at International level and even at my lowly level! If someone score a ton in the opposing team then we always shake his hand when he gets out! And even those scoring 50 we give him a pat on the back and say well batted mate! And yes, we do that BEFORE going to congratulate our teammate for bowling/catching him out!!
So please don't try and say that the Auusies were so overcome with emotion that they all had to go and give the sub a big hug and kiss before anything else!! That is total tripe! The batsman scoring 290 deserved the respect of the opposing team! Just like Warner in the first innings! Simple as that!

csnew · « **Reply #35 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:41:32 PM »

Looks like Taylor and lehmann had a laugh about it:

https://twitter.com/RossLTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

JMB174 · « **Reply #36 on:** November 17, 2015, 02:37:48 PM »

Having played in a lot of cricket in both england and australia, i don't think there is a lot of difference in how the teams go about there game. There is a big difference in how a lot of people conduct thereself on the pitch. I have found the good players don't need to be all mouth and no trousers, they just give the odd look and come out with the odd coment. Where as the lesser players feel they must shout and ball to try to feel on top, because they cannot do this with their skill levels.
The biggest difference from england to australia was the attitude towards the game and training. In england most clubs net once maybe twice a week (and maybe a little on a saturday before a game). At the clubs in australia i have played, they were netting a minimum of twice a week, have a fitness sessiononce a week and also have a team meeting about the next team you will play in the next match. (hope that made sense)

uknsaunders · « **Reply #37 on:** November 17, 2015, 07:18:58 PM »

Quote from: JMB174 on November 17, 2015, 02:37:48 PM

Having played in a lot of cricket in both england and australia, i don't think there is a lot of difference in how the teams go about there game. There is a big difference in how a lot of people conduct thereself on the pitch. I have found the good players don't need to be all mouth and no trousers, they just give the odd look and come out with the odd coment. Where as the lesser players feel they must shout and ball to try to feel on top, because they cannot do this with their skill levels.
The biggest difference from england to australia was the attitude towards the game and training. In england most clubs net once maybe twice a week (and maybe a little on a saturday before a game). At the clubs in australia i have played, they were netting a minimum of twice a week, have a fitness sessiononce a week and also have a team meeting about the next team you will play in the next match. (hope that made sense)

Haven't played in Aus but you would think at the higher levels of English club cricket they would take it that seriously. Always amazes me that top club sides in England have players who may not even net once a week.

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rbanners · « **Reply #38 on:** November 17, 2015, 08:09:40 PM »

To quote Hemingway:

�There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.�

I think a possible broader point here is about how/why the game is played. I will admit that though I am totally committed to my team winning and will put in 100% to help them win, I also play to be better than my personal last game.

A lot of times I have heard people say "its all about winning, at any cost - whatever it takes to win" etc.

I am personally in total objection to this point, though I don't think many Australians will share this opinion. I also do not think it is something that we should model for youngsters - I certainly am not teaching this to my children.

Playing with dignity, with a sense of ethics and morals is vital to me. It does not take away my commitment or ability to compete if I am not vicious or sledging on the field. My competition is vicious, and my effort and ability is totally there, but I will not demonstrate this outwardly, in a mean way. I will demonstrate it with skill (I wish) and effort (more usually).

Going down the road of intimidation and sledging and being rude or mean is debasing myself as a human as far as I am concerned. If you have convinced yourself that this is what competition is, and you are willing to be seen that way by others, so be it. I see this as lowly behaviour, not competitiveness. I may not voice that to you on the pitch, because I'm not there to voice my opinion on your behaviour, I'm there to:

1. play cricket
2. contribute to my team by doing the above
3. play with commitment, effort and dignity to do the above
4. be a decent human being and member of society

There is no reason, to me, one can't congratulate a phenomenal effort (e.g. scoring 290) and still be committed to one's own team - you are furthering the cause of the sport overall with decent behaviour, and keeping lowly behaviour (IMHO) out of the game.

My tuppence - sorry it was so long. And sorry if it comes across pompous - not my intention at all.
cheers
rbanners

Seniorplayer · « **Reply #39 on:** November 17, 2015, 08:23:12 PM »

Quote from: rbanners on November 17, 2015, 08:09:40 PM

To quote Hemingway:

�There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.�

I think a possible broader point here is about how/why the game is played. I will admit that though I am totally committed to my team winning and will put in 100% to help them win, I also play to be better than my personal last game.

A lot of times I have heard people say "its all about winning, at any cost - whatever it takes to win" etc.

I am personally in total objection to this point, though I don't think many Australians will share this opinion. I also do not think it is something that we should model for youngsters - I certainly am not teaching this to my children.

Playing with dignity, with a sense of ethics and morals is vital to me. It does not take away my commitment or ability to compete if I am not vicious or sledging on the field. My competition is vicious, and my effort and ability is totally there, but I will not demonstrate this outwardly, in a mean way. I will demonstrate it with skill (I wish) and effort (more usually).

Going down the road of intimidation and sledging and being rude or mean is debasing myself as a human as far as I am concerned. If you have convinced yourself that this is what competition is, and you are willing to be seen that way by others, so be it. I see this as lowly behaviour, not competitiveness. I may not voice that to you on the pitch, because I'm not there to voice my opinion on your behaviour, I'm there to:

1. play cricket
2. contribute to my team by doing the above
3. play with commitment, effort and dignity to do the above
4. be a decent human being and member of society

There is no reason, to me, one can't congratulate a phenomenal effort (e.g. scoring 290) and still be committed to one's own team - you are furthering the cause of the sport overall with decent behaviour, and keeping lowly behaviour (IMHO) out of the game.

My tuppence - sorry it was so long. And sorry if it comes across pompous - not my intention at all.
cheers
rbanners

Excellent post Like yourself cannot

see the Aussies agreeing with the morals ethics and dignity on the field Being vital though

brokenbat · « **Reply #40 on:** November 17, 2015, 09:05:17 PM »

Quote from: csnew on November 17, 2015, 12:41:32 PM

Looks like Taylor and lehmann had a laugh about it:

https://twitter.com/RossLTaylor?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Am I the only one who zoomed into the photo to see more of the kit lying around?

kdale6 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:11:14 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on November 17, 2015, 09:05:17 PM

Am I the only one who zoomed into the photo to see more of the kit lying around?

Looks like someone's enjoying a nice glass of red as well, how very refined!

Bat and Ball Cricket · « **Reply #42 on:** November 18, 2015, 01:41:12 AM »

Quote from: petehosk on November 17, 2015, 12:34:45 PM

So an Aussie taking a decent catch is a rare thing then? Sorry but ridiculous post!
If someone hits 290 runs at International level then the FIRST THING the fielding team should do is at least give him a pat on the back once he is out! Shake the hand is totally normal for most teams, both at International level and even at my lowly level! If someone score a ton in the opposing team then we always shake his hand when he gets out! And even those scoring 50 we give him a pat on the back and say well batted mate! And yes, we do that BEFORE going to congratulate our teammate for bowling/catching him out!!
So please don't try and say that the Auusies were so overcome with emotion that they all had to go and give the sub a big hug and kiss before anything else!! That is total tripe! The batsman scoring 290 deserved the respect of the opposing team! Just like Warner in the first innings! Simple as that!

Crikey! You'd be taking your life into your own hands trying to 'pat someone on the back' after he got out in some of the Australian comps.
You're more likely to get flattered than get cred for good sportsmanship.

I guess it highlights a difference of opinion, which isn't a bad thing.
It shows we care about the marvellous game, no mater your view on the 'spirit of the game'.

Anyhow, good on you old chaps for taking such high moral ground on the subject, but I'm off to sledging training.

sanredrose · « **Reply #43 on:** November 18, 2015, 02:43:47 AM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on November 16, 2015, 09:00:20 AM

The bit that really grinds my gears is people leaving straight after the game, it doesn't take long to shake hands with the opposition does it! There's no excuse for ignorance at any level!

Absolutely agree with you. I am seeing the same behavior with new T20 teams in my league. We always opted to bat first and ended up on the winning side. As and when each opponent player gets out, he picks up his kit and goes home. At the end of the game even the captain/vice-cap is not around to finish off the presentation ! Bunch of arrogant little brats ...

sanredrose · « **Reply #44 on:** November 18, 2015, 02:48:54 AM »

Quote from: rbanners on November 17, 2015, 08:09:40 PM

A lot of times I have heard people say "its all about winning, at any cost - whatever it takes to win" etc.

I'm there to:

1. play cricket
2. contribute to my team by doing the above
3. play with commitment, effort and dignity to do the above
4. be a decent human being and member of society

Very well said ... Sad that aussies don't believe in this philosophy. "Winning at all costs" => Seems way to arrogant to me ...

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