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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2015, 02:59:02 PM »

They introduced this in our league in Bristol this year as well .
Has been slow to take off but generally well received and I think it will be used more in the coming seasons.
they did but it was only allowed in division 10-12. Has there been any update for this year, now there's 17 divisions?

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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2015, 03:01:17 PM »

Entirely selfish due to my job but please no! Kids and grown ups would not love it so!

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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2015, 03:59:58 PM »

I would improve the state of the game in secondary schools

Primary schools have quick cricket, which is great but there is nothing to follow up from this
At my school the year seven-nine pupils have 1 half term a year doing cricket for one week, but the lack of specialist skills in teaching means that normally it is just a short game with a windball where 3 or 4 players dominate the game. Everyone else just stands round for an hour talking and nothing constructive happens in the whole hour

That is the problem because from this kids get a negative perception of the game, so don't get excited by it


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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2015, 04:01:17 PM »

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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2015, 04:03:14 PM »

they did but it was only allowed in division 10-12. Has there been any update for this year, now there's 17 divisions?

Not really been mentioned as far as I can remember so I imagine it will just be the same as last year i.e. the bottom two divisions
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2015, 05:11:52 PM »

Affraid to say it but unless you broadcast to the masses and get kids wanting to mimic there hero's you will never get the playing numbers up no matter how much you try. This then has to be followed by schools providing the facilities/oportunity to mimic those hero's. Only once cricket is re-engrained in youngsters will numbers increase.
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2015, 05:22:23 PM »

I could echo a lot of the comments and ideas posted

Looking back 25 yrs or so, there must have been hundreds of cricket teams within a two or three mile radius of Nelson/Burnley
All playing in several different leagues across Lancashire and Yorkshire
The mid week leagues in nelson and Burnley attracted pros from the ribb and lancs league

It was the same for football in the area

There's very little cricket now, and football is also a shadow of what it once was.

I play in Oxfordshire now, and clubs are folding and struggling here
My sons in Somerset and teams/clubs are struggling there

I do think, a lot of it is the play station generation .
The cost to participate in sport bears no relation to wages etc.
Working hours and days have changed drastically

Sad times really

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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2015, 07:44:43 PM »

So many things

1) Every council demands that for new developments dedicated sports grounds are built. Now, I know some will say they already are but they are inadequate, small and literally one small field for everything. I'd demand that each ground was build with the following. Small five a side size astro, a BIG cricket ground with at least 10 strips. A pavillion inbetween the cricket field and then on the other side, havea  football and rugby pitch. Enough parking for 30 cars. The pavillion to have 6 large changing rooms, tea room, bar and  a kitchen that can actually be used to cater for upto 100 people.n Oh and astro nets, 4 lane sealed in facility with fence and locks around it. (*You might say this costs a bomb BUT it actually doesn't for developers as things are cost price etc etc), Oh I'd have this fenced off and not 'public land' to be abused by ferel kids etc etc.

2) All these new grounds are taken on by the ECB (obviously under the local board) and the ECB provides the equipment needed (so cutters, rollers, outfield cutter, covers etc) - again, you say it's expensive but how much would the ECB be able to buy all this stuff for in bulk?? I'd imagine very cheaply (sky money etc).

3)These grounds are then issued to local clubs who subscribe to the new structure of only having 2 adult saturday league teams and 1 jnr side in each age group. No more 3xi, 4xi, 5xi, U15a, U15B etc etc. This will ensure that talent is spread around clubs and that no club will dominate purely because all the kids go. This will help players not get abused by selection, jnrs will need to be kept and played too..

4)I'd have each league have a structure that supports the following structure (using say a 15 division model as an example - obvioulsy you can split it down into feeder leagues etc etc)... top 4 divisions play 50 over win/lose/draw cricket with no field restrictions like silly circles etc. Bowlers allowed 10 overs max per bowler. second tier of 6 divs is 45 over win/lose, 9 per bowler, rest 40 over win/lose and 8 overs per bowler. Only top 6 divisons play leg side wides and offside wides, the rest are just 'old skool' rules.

5) Umpires/scorers etc can be used but I wouldn't enforce their use. From my experience board umpires give more LBW's even when wrong, and both take money out of the club. Might as well just have player umpires (no club umpires ever, they are 99% of the time just a 12th man and cheat)

6) We can't force the ECB to not let sky have cricket but they can fund cricket in state schools. Employ a few coaches (not looking for anyone special, just uni type students can do it so no one being paid mega bucks!) to go around schools and actually run fun cricket sessions and organise inter school games (as the boards 'own' local grounds these can be used easily to create links).  Host holiday camps that ALL can attend free of charge rather than having silly coaching companies charging the earth for nothong other than a glorified nursery and again, taking money out the game.

7) Make the game cheaper. There is no reason the ECB can't buy in kit from India etc etc and people buy direct from them. Again, massive bulk ordering will ensure low purchase price and because the ECB aren't looing ot turn profits (or wouldn't be in this world), that provides top end kit for affordable prices (retailers will kick up but at least it'd create a competitive market and benefit the consumer). Added to this, no tea can be charged at more than £30, zero paid players outside the ECB Premier division.. that includes 'coaches' or whatever else you want to use to get around the rule. Anyone found or even believed by the local boards to be paying (even cash in hand behind the back door type stuff that we all know goes on), teams will lose pts and be denied promotions gained. Yes you'll get clubs saying 'prove it' but hey.. it might make them think twice before bringing that pro in, paying some local player etc.. these guys will play anyway, no need to pay them.

8) THis one will really cause issues with people.. outside of the top 4 divisions (you'd hope by this point peple would either be good or if they are sad and just want associating with a level then sod them)... If you bowl more than 5 overs (4 in 40 over cricket), you can't bat top 6.  Basically, this ensure that EVERYONE in the team gets a game. People will say it'll affect competitiveness but at the amateur level, I say absolute rubbish.. If that number 6 can't bat, he won't last long anyway!! so your star all rounder coming in at 7 will be in anyway.

9) Run a U19 league on saturdays. 40 over stuff. Similar rules to above.. no player can do both etc etc etc. Now, anyone can choose to play adult cricket of course but for those still wanting to stay away from the aggressive adult stuff (and again, say it isn't if you like but adult cricket is getting more aggressive and sledging is on the increase) which so obviously contributes to putting youngsters off playing. This would also introduce them to longer format cricket as well from all the 2020 crap they'll have been playing (say start this league as 16-19yr olds).

10) ECB should fund old stars, current players to tour schools, clubs etc and basically just add that bit of star dust to clubs. People would love to see Flintoff, KP, Swann, Strauss at their club for a session, or even turn up at a game etc. Obviously don't send round random standard county pro's though, no one cares about them.. it's the stars you want to see...

11) ECB buying power.. The ECB could very easily supply clubs with cheap food stuffs for the season because it can buy in bulk. So basic things like crisps etc etc.. can all be brought through the ECB for cheap price and delivered on set dates to the club through the post (bit like some of hte food companies are doing now or even have an agreement with large supermarkets etc).. agian, this would reduce the price of items for clubs. Obviulsly gas/elec is all done in bulk too as the local boards own these new grounds

I don't believe people dislike formats from the past etc etc. If it was that, then games like hockey, football, rugby which are quick would be booming and they are also in sharp sharp terminal decline. It's simply that there are more things to be doing in modern life and sport is a bit committment that you also now, have to pay the world to play as it's not made easy for people. Too many are taken for mugs with club subs, match fees.. then stand around (kids and adults alike) and watch a select 4 players do the bulk of batting and bowling/. It's no wonder people quit. This type of rule is aimed at divisions 4 and below because participation is more important and you are also relying on the more casual types. The guys playing top 3-4 divisions are usually keen beans so I discount them. Again, if someone is happy to bat 7/8 and not bowl to sya they play a decent level then more fool them, no sympathy.

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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2015, 07:57:00 PM »

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3)These grounds are then issued to local clubs who subscribe to the new structure of only having 2 adult saturday league teams and 1 jnr side in each age group. No more 3xi, 4xi, 5xi, U15a, U15B etc etc. This will ensure that talent is spread around clubs and that no club will dominate purely because all the kids go. This will help players not get abused by selection, jnrs will need to be kept and played too..

So every two years you have 11 juniors you have to keep and play to.

Let's ignore the fact you can't keep someone if they done want to(uni, job, loss of interest etc) and let's pretend you can keep them all.

So who do they replace as you have to pick 11 juniors to play and your limited to 2 xis only.
Are we retiring people every two years? Kicking the older guys out?

11 juniors every two years who must be kept over a ten year period is 55 players, plus the 22 Adults you started with. 77 registered players to be picked from at a club that's restricted to 2 playing xis only.
That's gonna cause some serious selection issues and 55 disgruntled blokes.
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2015, 08:10:56 PM »

So every two years you have 11 juniors you have to keep and play to.

Let's ignore the fact you can't keep someone if they done want to(uni, job, loss of interest etc) and let's pretend you can keep them all.

So who do they replace as you have to pick 11 juniors to play and your limited to 2 xis only.
Are we retiring people every two years? Kicking the older guys out?

11 juniors every two years who must be kept over a ten year period is 55 players, plus the 22 Adults you started with. 77 registered players to be picked from at a club that's restricted to 2 playing xis only.
That's gonna cause some serious selection issues and 55 disgruntled blokes.


True, or players would move on to other clubs ?? I get your point but if you increase teams to 3/4/5xi then immediately it's filled up and you end up where we are now.. A few super clubs and the rest dying. Tbh, I doubt many clubs would bother with youth teams like the old days as there wouldn't be the point and there isn't enough youth anyway. So even if club a brought through 11 players, chances are most /all would move on anyway. If you retire people then they just move on. Club gets a rep for just moving on people and soon enough people won't join.

Again, in the past when more played the game we didn't have all these jnr sides/leagues so why suddenly is it needed?? Maybe because it sells kit ?!?!?!

Anyway, it's hardly a thought through theory. Im sure we can pick holes in every point everyone makes.
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2015, 08:49:34 PM »

Your number one point above is a million quid to build easily. I've just built a small 5 a side astro for a local football club, cost 70 grand alone. The car park would cost 50 grand, depending on the spec of the field 100 grand, the fencing around the perimeter for decent stuff would be 60 quid a metre. Developers are into development to make money, they won't give it away
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2015, 08:50:29 PM »

Our 2 lane net with security fence and lockable gates is costing 54k
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2015, 09:19:08 PM »

Your number one point above is a million quid to build easily. I've just built a small 5 a side astro for a local football club, cost 70 grand alone. The car park would cost 50 grand, depending on the spec of the field 100 grand, the fencing around the perimeter for decent stuff would be 60 quid a metre. Developers are into development to make money, they won't give it away

true, but if the govt allowed developments, especially on green field sites etc.. you might just find that 1-2M is very very very small fry to a developer!
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2015, 09:27:21 PM »

Our 2 lane net with security fence and lockable gates is costing 54k

again, just off the top of my head.. imagine.. rather than paying cricketcompany.com to do the work for you.. they employed a team of builders and brought huge quantities of materials... I wonder how many 4 lane astros could be built by a team of 6 in 5 years for example (thinking out loud, hardly a thought through plan)

54k for 2 lane net is extortionate
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Re: How would you fix club cricket?
« Reply #29 on: December 03, 2015, 09:32:20 PM »

again, just off the top of my head.. imagine.. rather than paying cricketcompany.com to do the work for you.. they employed a team of builders and brought huge quantities of materials... I wonder how many 4 lane astros could be built by a team of 6 in 5 years for example (thinking out loud, hardly a thought through plan)

54k for 2 lane net is extortionate


It is, but it was given to us as a grant to improve our facilities, and is only set aside for the 2 lane net. We aren't allowed to find a cheaper fitter and spend the cash elsewhere.
If we did, we'd lose the grant. Rules are baffling.
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