Topic: 2016 Phantom Softs (Read 43896 times)

Ayrtek Cricket · « **Reply #45 on:** January 11, 2016, 11:23:18 PM »

Never liked if myself 😜

edge · « **Reply #46 on:** January 11, 2016, 11:30:44 PM »

It doesn't even look like carbon fibre...

bostoncricketer · « **Reply #47 on:** January 12, 2016, 03:08:27 AM »

These are some of the best looking softs I have seen so far this season. The chrome branding looks absolutely fabulous and top class. Having said that, I would never buy them as I am bit of a cheapskate when it comes to softs. I would rather compromise on the design a little bit, get a cheaper Asian brand for half the price and put the rest of the money towards a bat

roco · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2016, 08:16:44 AM »

Hmmmm without picking on Phantom for this price I would be expecting some top protection from these gloves but I bet they are similar to other top of the range gloves (Spartan, gm, new H4L) and just foam/cotton in them to get weight down.

Look nice design but unless they have the inserts the old H4l hattori and my current Vulcan ones have I can't see why brands charge so much for gloves.

Wickets-then-runs · « **Reply #49 on:** January 12, 2016, 08:22:58 AM »

I love the look of them: classy and understated! Not outrageously priced compared to here in Aust!

Mel Jessop · « **Reply #50 on:** January 12, 2016, 09:12:04 PM »

Very very nice looking softs in my opinion, slightly cheaper than some top end, much more than some lower end products.

Would I buy? No, but I wouldn't buy h4l or any other manufacturers at that price, simply put I am a tight arsed family man from Yorkshire (that should say it all), I bought new softs this year but last year's design from B & S, a very good bundle deal for �80 with a duffle thrown in, plenty good enough for me.

Will they sell well, absolutely, due to looking nice and the need for many cricket nerds to have the latest or matching kit.

They look lovely, and if money was no object I would buy, but I am afraid this forum has cost me to much already on bats since the end of last season lol...

hilly_2015 · « **Reply #51 on:** January 12, 2016, 09:14:07 PM »

All 3 are fantastic (the design of them especially!) and I would love one day to be buying gloves / pads like this, but unfortunately these are way out of my price range and I tend to go through softs very quickly.

With that in mind, I'd always go for the cheaper option.

EDIT: @Mel Jessop put it better than I ever could.

hanif · « **Reply #52 on:** January 28, 2016, 02:13:30 AM »

I think Aftab has done a great job with the softs. This is not a new design and I have seen a few companies with similar. Aftab has taken the design to the next level for me. Like what AMG do to a normal Mercedes saloon. Look similar from a distance but get close and it is a different beast all together. These gloves are up there with my favourites (H4L).
As for price, there are a lot of cost involved with softs and the margins are very small you guys would be surprised how little is made on soft goods. I think if corners were cut to try and make them cheaper they would just not have the same impact or appeal. If you want the best then I don't think there are any better softs than the phantom and H4L ones.

Nmcgee · « **Reply #53 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:02:33 AM »

Hanif, if you're charging 70pounds on gloves and making very small profit margins, I would say there is something wrong with your business model. Either that or I would ask how you define "small margins".

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #54 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:10:12 AM »

Quote from: Nmcgee on January 29, 2016, 04:02:33 AM

Hanif, if you're charging 70pounds on gloves and making very small profit margins, I would say there is something wrong with your business model. Either that or I would ask how you define "small margins".

Knowing the cost price of these softs, I have to agree. There's is plenty of markup involved I can assure you - for someone like H4L where the business is their whole livelihood I can fully understand, after all they have numerous other expenses to pay for business wise (and thats before you get to any personal expense/profit!!) but I'm under the presumption that this isn't Phantom's one and only source of income which for me is a sticking point.

But then again, if other companies are going to charge top whack then why shouldn't Phantom! Bit of a vicious circle for the consumer sadly.

uknsaunders · « **Reply #55 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:27:28 AM »

Two things here:-

1. If the gloves are sold to retailers then there is a % on a %. If the gloves cost �30 to manufacture, then for Phantom to make any money out of retail they will stick a margin on and sell at �50 to the retailers who then stick there margin on. I'm exaggerating here but you get the idea it might be �50 cost, �55 for phantom to the retailers and �70 retail, by the time vat is taken then small profits are a few pounds.

2. As a consequence Phantom will "hold" their prices at retailer prices - therefore making a decent profit.

What the retailers make is determined by Phantom, the cost of the glove and what margin the retailer can afford to make, presumably below RRP.

I'm sure you can buy blanks at OLS for alot less but the cost of branding and the other touches will mean you couldn't get the same glove.

JB · « **Reply #56 on:** January 29, 2016, 09:29:51 AM »

Quote from: uknsaunders on January 29, 2016, 09:27:28 AM

Two things here:-

1. If the gloves are sold to retailers then there is a % on a %. If the gloves cost �30 to manufacture, then for Phantom to make any money they will stick a margin on and sell at �50 to the retailers who then stick there margin on. I'm exaggerating here but you get the idea it might be �50 cost, �55 for phantom to the retailers and �70 retail, by the time vat is taken then small profits are a few pounds.

2. As a consequence Phantom will "hold" their prices at retailer prices - therefore making a decent profit.

What the retailers make is determined by Phantom, the cost of the glove and what margin the retailer can afford to make, presumably below RRP.
the cost of the glove.

I'm sure you can buy blanks at OLS for alot less but the cost of branding and the other touches will mean you couldn't get the same glove.

And if you take into account the quantities that are going to be sold, say 100 pairs? He's not making himself a millionaire out of it

WalkingWicket37 · « **Reply #57 on:** January 29, 2016, 12:02:16 PM »

Quote from: dannyhall04 on January 29, 2016, 10:22:33 AM

Attractive kit yes, attractive pricing? Not for me. Can think of far more attractive things to spend �160 on

You can get 5 lap dances and 2 drinks on a Saturday night for that!
Apparently....

Neon Cricket · « **Reply #58 on:** January 29, 2016, 04:36:08 PM »

Quote from: WalkingWicket37 on January 29, 2016, 12:02:16 PM

You can get 5 lap dances and 2 drinks on a Saturday night for that!
Apparently....

Jesus, hate to think what you've been 'enjoying' at �30 a pop! haha

hanif · « **Reply #59 on:** January 30, 2016, 12:54:50 AM »

If phantom cricket was selling direct to customers then he would be making a decent profit, but he is distributing to retailers, so in affect he is splitting his profit. So the margins after all expenses would be relatively small. In the current market I still feel they offer very good value, as they look top quality.

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