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[InternalTraining]

So, if you want a big cleft, go to Kippax or GN.

[procricket]

Or somebody who gets clefts from kippax !!!!!

Ps GN get very limited as you and Smiley can attest to !!!

[procricket]

I have had a Warner bat match used by him in my hands it was 2-11 and biggest bat I have seen must have been overdried but still right up there in mental terms in everyway

[uknsaunders]

I have two bats with 43-45mm edges at 2'11.

One is a light cleft that only comes along once a year and is 43mm edge,70mm spine with no concaving. The other has a 45mm spine and 60mm edge, 400 density and only a little concaving on the hitting area, its made by b3 ;-)

However, both are harrow length!



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[InternalTraining]

Folks, I am just curious about the process, bats, and clefts hence the questions and (hopefully) a lively discussion. Not taking a swipe at anyone or being negative. Not my intention. 

[brokenbat]

It's fashion. Physics says F=mass x A

So edge size is irrelevant - as long as mass (weight) is the same.

That said, I still want these big pieces of timber...cuz it's fun!

[dcullen8]

Without getting too far into it, i dont think f=ma covers it. As with bats and their "ping" youd have to look at the coefficient of restitution, or the way a ball responds off the surface, between smaller/older bats and newer bigger bats?
Atleast for the way a ball behaves off the bat, eg the way/ speed it pings off

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[procricket]

You need to speak to streaky it about weight all about weight.

All things equal a heavier bat hits the ball further simple as that I'm not going into it it been covered many times.

look at the 81 ashes watch Botham with a heavy toothpick smack it out o the park

Weight weight weight maybe another blog for @The Doctor

[Contrails]

I thought 'Player bats' sold on the shelves were of the same spec of the pro player being sponsored by the Brand.  GM sells 'Ross Taylor' editions and these are suppose to the replica of Ross Taylor's actual bat in regards to profile, pick-up and weight.  Well, this was my impression. 

[uknsaunders]

It was pressed more those bats of the 80s but still had decent edges and no concaving.  Pressing and drying  I would of thought explains most of the difference in size. From then and now. How we have got to 50mm edges from 40mm, I think is more to do with heavier bats and possibly better drying processes. What's the average moisture level in a bat now?

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[Vitas Cricket]

I thought 'Player bats' sold on the shelves were of the same spec of the pro player being sponsored by the Brand.  GM sells 'Ross Taylor' editions and these are suppose to the replica of Ross Taylor's actual bat in regards to profile, pick-up and weight.  Well, this was my impression.

Replica size and profile, it doesn't mention weight anywhere, the weights of these bats vary

[procricket]

We are at 12 nick as most are in the uk

[SOULMAN1012]

In my limited experience a pro bat means nothing. When working with Andrew Kember we had a few pro players and MCC players that would visit to have there bats made and some would take bats that were G2 others wanted 12 straight grains etc. A pro bat is how is feels to the player and how it performs. A pro is good enough to find the middle on any bat regardless of grade so it's how it feels.
The term pro bat is in my view now a marketing term the same is G1++ it's a non existent grade until the shop or bat maker or brand receive it and grade it themselves.
I could buy clefts tomorrow and label them pro grade, players etc.
Pro's do not all use or want the same in a bat so the term pro bat is a gimmick in the main unless you get a bat that was generally made for and used by a pro.
That's my view anyway.

[smilley792]

Isn't there the story regarding Shane Watson and gunn and Moore.


He gave them a description of the sort of bat he was after(flare shape it turned into)
They made him one out of a 404 cleft as they didn't want to waste a ole cleft if they got it wrong.

He loved the thing pick up and weight was superb as was the ping. Gunn and Moore said right we'll make some out of ole clefts, and Watson said don't bother, stickered up the 404 and used that for some time.

[dougydee]

I would guess the placebo effect has a great deal to do with the feel of some "pro-bats".