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[brokenbat]

This is part 2 of my Donald Trump statement:

How about we amend the law, such that....wait for it....if the non striker has left the crease before the ball is delivered (i.e. is "stealing" at inch, a yard, whatever it may be), the fielding team can appeal, and the third umpire can deem the non striker out, even if the bowler did not break the bails. This would certainly stop people from abusing the "backing up" argument, and the bowler can just focus on bowling.

[skip1973]

It wasn't a good look, he didn't appear to be bolting off for a head start so it seems a pretty low act. I agree with B3 about the celebration, was quite sickening. One self righteous poster is so far off mark it's almost funny, no wonder he seems to move around clubs a bit.

[cricketbadger]

Where is the common sense to not walk when you nick it?
Claim a catch when you know it's not?
Appeal for a lbw 'just in case'
Appeal for an lbw 'you never know'
Appeal for an lbw from fully when you have no idea if it's close ?
Sledging ?
Leaving your crease before the ball is bowled?
Intentionally getting between ball and stumps when running ? (Yes there is now a law but we all know no one applies it 99.9% of the time)

All acts that are against the spirit of the game so when I see most of the people moaning about this stop doing this I'll support no mankadi g

You're just splitting hairs now and as usual talking (No Swearing Please)

[procricket]

So Adrian you said about going up when just in case mate.

So what your saying is only the keeper and bowler go up then because nobody else knows

So have you ever gone up in your life fielding I bet you have but you don't know by your logic

Because let's be honest only the bowler and keeper know by your logic

[Number4]

If it's in the laws of cricket then it's in the spirit of the game as far as I'm concerned... Why would the MCC create a rule that's not in the spirit of the game? Doesn't seem logical to me.

If it's not in YOUR spirit of the game then you don't have to attempt it do you

[sanredrose]

Out or not out, WI could have contained their celebrations. They were celebrating as if they pulled a great run out or something ...

[cricketbadger]

So Adrian you said about going up when just in case mate.

So what your saying is only the keeper and bowler go up then because nobody else knows

So have you ever gone up in your life fielding I bet you have but you don't know by your logic

Because let's be honest only the bowler and keeper know by your logic

He won't be bothered in the field anyway, he's just there to build up his average with the bat

[13th Man]

Just watched it and read through all the posts!  I got a first ball duck on the W/E and asked if they'd be sports and remember the backyard rule, you can't get out on 1St ball......!  Not that I've played for my country but there's a fair bit riding on the result and I'd suggest the issue lay with the batsmen.

As for the under arm delivery, GC's decision did more for cricket in NZ then any of the Black Caps performances or a decade of promoting the game, finally moving it to the back pages ahead of Rugby and League for a time.   

[Percy]

Why should I walk when an umpire is paid to make a decision, if I nicked it to second slip then I would walk, but if there was half a doubt in my mind then I'm gonna stand my ground! I don't have someone come and do my job as a hobby, when me as the paid person isn't helping by not making decisions! That's the role of an umpire
Winning does matter, winning is why we play sport to show that competitive edge that we all have. I don't turn up to play sport and think you know what I think it would be good to lose today!

But what do you do when the umpires are not paid and are team mates, who might not be that experienced at umpiring.

[WalkingWicket37]

But what do you do when the umpires are not paid and are team mates, who might not be that experienced at umpiring.

Let them make the decision, respect it (whether you agree it not) and buy them a pint after the game as a thank you for doing it.

[ppccopener]

Let them make the decision, respect it (whether you agree it not) and buy them a pint after the game as a thank you for doing it.

well said young man

[Ridenmarke]

In my opinion after watching the video and the their celebrations afterwards, its clear that the Windies were always intending to affect that dismissal as opposed to delivering the ball. I have no problem with Mankanding as long as you can see that the batsman is deliberately legging it to the other end. This act by the Windies U-19 has left a sour taste in my mouth not because of the act, but because of the intent to affect the dismissal and their crass celebration afterwards.

[MD2812]

Afraid I can't help but see some of the arguments defending it as stupid.

Do people expect the umpire to enforce the batsman doesn't leave the crease until the ball is bowled?
You'd need eyes like Ozil to make sure the bowler doesn't overstep and the batsman doesn't leave the crease at the same time

My personal thought: change the law that if a bowler wants to do it, he must complete his action and not release the ball before breaking the stumps.

Unless I've missed it, I've noticed that anyone defending this mankad hasn't replied to the hypothetical situation:

The batting side need to 5 runs in 10 overs, but light is drawing in. The bowler keeps running up but attempting to mankad before entering his delivery stride for the next 15 minutes until the light gets bad and the game is called a draw.

At amateur level this would be within the laws so perfectly acceptable right? @brokenbat

Only thing I could thing against it would be over rate, which we don't have in our league.

The Windies didn't do this because the batsman was trying to steal a quick single. They did this because they had accepted they had lost the game of skill & ability vs skill & ability and found the lowest winning means available. I don't doubt for a second if the batsman blocked one in that over and picked the ball up and gave it to a fielder WI would've appealed for handled ball.

[edge]

In that case then the umpire would follow the law and award the batting side 5 penalty runs because of the bowler's timewasting?

[brokenbat]

Exactly. Time wasting, unlike running someone out, is against the law. Over rates are even enforced here in the US! So not sure how that "attempted mankad" strategy to waste time would ever work.

I think here is a great summary of all the arguments for, and against. A good read.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/icc-under-19-world-cup-2016/content/story/968649.html