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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2016, 03:37:29 PM »

I think few ozs makes no difference as far as dead weight is concerned. Thats like carrying some extra change in your pocket which you dont feel at all you have on you.
Batting puts lot of strain on wrist and forearms because we grip the bat where the object feels the heaviest (straight object will feel heavier than dead weight when picker from either end). It can cause pain/fatigue if those few extra ounces are added to wrong part of the bat such as the toe.So i doubt a bat few ounces heavy should cause more fatigue if the weight distribution is right.
What i have noticed is the handle plays a big part as well. Especially in the nets, if I use a cheap bat with with cheap handle,t he hands get tired and sore quickly compared to a high quality bat with good handle which has reduces the vibration.
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2016, 04:13:46 PM »

I have mentioned this to Paul Aldred who is  a great advocate of pick up over dead weight. Great when defending and driving but surely excess dead weight will affect cutting and hooking detrementally?
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 04:17:24 PM »

If I had a dollar for every time someone has picked up one of my bats proclaimed "I can use that" and then proceeded to look good for a few overs and either get out or tire and score less and less. Before calling for a lighter bat.
Iff have.... Well 3 dollars.


And 2 time sit was the same guy.

Granted they went from 2.10s to 2.14s but all three times they visually tired quickly.
No guessing. Watched first hand!
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2016, 05:28:40 PM »

I think there is one bat in particular that a number of members have used on here that absolutely describes this issue. The Ravi Bopara Icon from a few Batoffs ago.

It had the most amazing pick up but weighed 3lb 2oz or something. I tried batting with it and was late on everything. Absolutely everything. They were all straight drives so should have been easy to hit.

So yes, weight makes huge difference. A heavy bat with a good pick up is still a heavy bat.
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 10:11:05 PM »

Couldn't agree more. A heavy bat that picks up well will catch up with you during a long innings.
Getting a bat in your weight range that picks up well, thats happy days.
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2016, 02:19:39 AM »

The most over rated factor in bats' marketing is balance. I never had any luck with balanced bats. My best performing bats are not balanced; they feel bottom heavy.
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2016, 03:14:35 AM »

Everytime I use a bat heavier than dead weight of 2-8 or 2-9 my timing and swing are always mess up.
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2016, 03:55:53 AM »

Its funny how every 2 lb 10 bat now "feels like 2 lb 8". Which begs the question - do they really feel like 2 lb 8, or are we using really crappy 2 lb 8 bats as the benchmark!!
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2016, 09:09:11 AM »

I have mentioned this to Paul Aldred who is  a great advocate of pick up over dead weight. Great when defending and driving but surely excess dead weight will affect cutting and hooking detrementally?

Yes it does you lose your timing
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2016, 09:46:58 AM »

Last season I went from 2.8, which I'd used for years to a 2.12 and had the best, most consistent season I've ever had.  Factor coaching and numerous net sessions into that as significant factors, but I found the heavier bat played to my strengths (driving), my clips off leg improved greatly and I didn't find my cutting diminished with a heavier bat.  Maybe I was being slightly later on the ball, which probably helped my game, but I think it allowed me to play straighter and with more control.  I stress again that I had regular net sessions and coaching which undoubtedly helped.

I had a couple of occasions where I batted through almost 40 overs and didn't feel any strain physically at the time or afterwards.  So, conversely, maybe I've been using bats that have been too light for most of my playing days?
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2016, 12:01:53 PM »

I started with a 2-8 bat and it did not do anything for me. A series of events led to a 2-12 net bat and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. 2-8 is such an over rated bat weight for a club cricketer!
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2016, 03:56:10 PM »

I had a 2.6 last year which I used in a couple of net sessions.  Lovely bat, but my technique was all over the place.  Sold it on here.  Now I'm picking up bats at Vitas and finding the heavier ones far more comfortable than the lighter ones.

That said, I'm not facing upwards of 70 mph too often...
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2016, 09:10:02 PM »

I have always been use to 2.6/2.7 bats.  But this year I got a 2.10 - SG player's edition.  It felt heavy in my hands and after a hour of net practice, my arms were dead.  Then I added a second grip (2.12 with extra grip, toe guard, oiling & sheet) hoping to improve the pickup which it did but I had the same issue after another net practice.  Shot timing was good but 30mins later I was too tired so timing went out pretty soon after.  The edges and toe give a lot of vibration which probably contributes to the fatigue.

Then I got a Spartan MC edition Small Mens weighing in at 2.7.  Felt a little bottom heavy but still lighter than the SG. Ping wasn't as good but my arms weren't tired after a 1hr net session. I still wasn't completely happy.  High vibration and shocks can be felt in the handle. 

Then came the Laver & Wood.  Weighing in at 2.12, C-10 handle, extra grip, oiling, toe guard and sheet.  I took it to net practice yesterday.  Almost 2 hours and no fatigue in the arms (I batted the whole 2 hrs).  Now, maybe it was the previous SG bat which gave my arms the workout to play with heavier bats?  So, I went back to the SG but the pickup/feel difference just felt wrong.  To the point where I am thinking of selling the SG.  Absolutely zero vibration, even from the toe and edges from the Laver.

The point being, two bats weighing in almost the same but with different pickup/feel and handle (Bottom Oval on the Laver) I think make a huge difference.  The other interesting thing I noticed was the swing.  With the SG, I feel as though I need to put an effort to swing the bat whereas on the Laver, its very effortless.  I just have to time the shots and that's all. This contributes to saving energy too. The Spartan feels light on the swing too, even lighter than the Laver but the lack of ping and high vibration on it makes it more suitable for indoor.

YMMV.  In my opinion is that we should worry less about the dead weight, instead get a bat that feels right and that's well made along with a good handle.  Along with the pickup, how it also feels on the swing is something I would look for.

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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2016, 03:39:37 AM »

With the SG, I feel as though I need to put an effort to swing the bat whereas on the Laver, its very effortless.  I just have to time the shots and that's all. This contributes to saving energy too.

This is very true of Lavers. Those who have picked up and played with my Lavers for the very first time have expressed similar views of the bat. The bat speed they generate is something else. They are 2 ozs heavier than what I had had ordered. :D I wouldn't say that bats are "balanced" but there is a snap to the bat speed.
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Re: The Pickup Myth
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2016, 11:32:43 AM »

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This is very true of Lavers. Those who have picked up and played with my Lavers for the very first time have expressed similar views of the bat. The bat speed they generate is something else. They are 2 ozs heavier than what I had had ordered. :D I wouldn't say that bats are "balanced" but there is a snap to the bat speed

Which handle do you have on yours? I have the C10 handle and I thought maybe its to do with that, what do you think?

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